Ahhhh yes I think I get ya. Let me then reiterate that I speak only of 'belifes' and wheter or not we truely do choose them.
In my inital post I asked Ian for his input, as if memory serves me correctly he used to be somewhat of a theist before 'seeing the light' or perhaps 'donning the hood' whichever way you view it I guess. I wonder if Ian's change of mind was a choice or did his brain give in to overwhelming evidance, can Ian choose to belive in God again? Enough of the God thing though, lets take it in another direction. Politics. We have here a nice mix of political views, from Socialist to Liberterian, and perhaps one Tory? For the sake of our esteemed new members. I myself am largely Socialist with Anarchistic and Liberal leanings. Which in real terms means that I 'belive' it is the job of goverment to look after the less able members of society, whilst keeping largley out of our bussiness(on the news today I was somewhat dismayed to see the story about a new leaflet directed towards new fathers, the dismay was because I belive it a waste of money and too much intererance in family life), and all the time allowing people to live the lives they wish to live, within the scope of the law of course. To attempt to explian why my politics run this way would take far to long, suffice to say this is what I belive is the best course for the society that I find myself living in. Given my lifes experiance, coming from a massive, poor, largley badly educated, working class family, how much choice have I really about my political view? When you also factor in that I earn a bloody good wage, have a great job, eat good food and enjoy the luxuries that I want and my wage accords me, and yet my politics have not changed to a view that may make me personaly even better off, it seems almost self explanitry that such 'belifes' are manifestations of experiance, or as Pat would have it causality and thus no real choice at all. Ahhh but if I was to 'belive' that one and yet leave it unexamined (yet another belife of mine) I'm sure that I would do myself a great disservice. On 20 Jan, 03:24, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > My mind in meditation runs much as Vam describes, though the content > is often disappointing. For once Lee, I'm sure you have it all > wrong. If sexual orientation wasn't a choice, how do you explain why > all those women who refuse to sleep with me are not Lesbians? Or am I > missing something again? > I wouldn't worry too much about numbers Twirl, or a great big > Pythagorean will come and eat you. If cornered, the etiquette is not > to offer it beans or anything picked up from the floor. These offend > its wonderful mind. In another sense, a dose of Monty Python would do > you good. > > Hard to say what I'm getting at in a few words Lee. I used to teach > Iranian Marxists who were absolute zealots. They had definitely > chosen to give up on god, but replaced him with what little they knew > of Marx, which sounded much like the social bits of Islam. Not much > rationality was involved and I suspect, in conversion, there is not > much room for choice (and less change than we might think). Do you > remember the South Park in which Mormonism is dum, dum, dum de dum? > Yet at the end, the smart kid sees they just choose the life the > togetherness brings? The word choice is a tough nut. I choose (in an > admittedly shaky way) not to believe in god/gods, you choose to seek - > both are allowable in as far as we seem to be able to get in > epistemology. We have our particular reasons, which probably matter > little in our view of each other (say less than knowing we'd both help > an old woman across the road). The particular state of a brain with a > much more active god-spot may not allow either of our type of choice. > In fairly strict argument we can only bottom at choice being > allowable, and not the choice to take. But who bothers with strict > argument much? > Blair has become Catholic, but is still a snide, deluded, self-seeking > toe-rag. The Pope has offered to take on the Anglicans who hate > homosexuality. Almost worth choosing to be a Proddy again and visit > Francis in my new Lutherian robes! I thought about being a Sikh, but > have a phobia of and tendency to fall on my own sword. > > In epistemology we have to make choices and assess what is important. > Some make choice of god the important issue. Some do this and are > utterly decent, others only learn in this choice to hate those who do > not make the same choice. Not keen on the latter. > > On 19 Jan, 13:09, Twirlip <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The numbering seems to have sorted itself out now. I've never seen > > that particular glitch on Google before.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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