Is it merely the wool being pulled over our eyes, a confusion of effects for causes? Perhaps until the impossible is ruled out a wary eye for 'wool' and open mind for 'starry skies' is in order.
What might strain the linear-material representation of our universe? 1: If time is a local effect, and thus relative this opens the possibility of externalities (other regions/universes). 2. If a system may arise within the local effect which successively adapts to overcome the linear-material constraints. Or maybe this is just grasping for something (anything) to deny determinism. It might be true that at some level of complexity one might reach an immutable answer. I think there are at least a few possibilities: * All deterministic, and irrelevant to beings such as man. * Deterministic in degree, complemented by self-determinism * Manifold, both, none, or either depending on the position of inspection. Similar to the second, but no dimensional limitation. * Maybe all these and more! Determined or free? I do not have an answer, but to live with self- determination/mastery seems a noble pursuit. I present these ideas though I've had dreams (sleep kind) materialize on many occasions, dreams of materializations of dreams, etc... So my concept of time may be somewhat 'distorted'. It is one helluva question! On Jan 26, 8:25 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 22 Jan, 13:28, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In the matter of choice we must first contemplate what are our binding > > factors. We act and react according to our psyche, personality, > > nature. Under same circumstances John would act and react differently > > from Abraham. If insulted one person might just shrug whereas another > > might give a hefty blow. Seeing a leper one may feel compassionate and > > help him whereas another might feel disgust and turn his shoulder. > > Our freedom is just apparent, not real. We feel free and act according > > to our will. But is our will really free, to my mind it is not. > > Wise words indeed!! We know appearances are deceiving. If we suspect > freedom in a demonstrably cause-and-effect universe, we should suspect > the wool is being pulled over our eyes. ;-) > > > On Jan 22, 2:17 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Forgive me my fellow Eye'ers, I obviously have this stuck in my head > > > at the moment and it needs to be addressed. > > > > On GMTV this morning we had an ex burglar talking about what he feels > > > over the initial arrest, sentancing and subsiquent reduction of > > > prision term for a Mr Munir Hussain (http://www.gm.tv/articles/44308- > > > burglars-prosecution-jailed.html). Who chased burglars out of his > > > house and administered to one of them a bloody good hiding. > > > > The ex burglar was talking about choice vs instinctual behaviour, > > > whilst unsupprisingly the majority of calls, texts and emails into > > > GMTV on this subject were all for a lessening of the law which > > > restricts us to 'reasonable force' in defence of our homes or loved > > > ones. To my mind a restriction from 'reasonable force' can only mean > > > allowing 'unreasonable force' so I guess you can say that I do not > > > agree with this one at all. > > > > However although I'm sure that we will get into that one here, this is > > > not the point I wish to make at this time. > > > > Back to choice then. I think the ex-burglar correct, even when it > > > comes to acting instinctivly to protect your loved ones, I would > > > suppose that my instinct if I where to find myself in Mr Hussain's > > > predicterment, would be differant from Mr Hussains. > > > > The burglars fleed his property and he choose to chase them out, > > > rather than seeing if his family were all okay. > > > > Okay I guess I am I and he is he, I cannot know the kind of person he > > > is nor what his lifes experiances have been upto this point. Which is > > > getting towards the root of my concerns now. > > > > A quick potted history of the life of Lee, in order to understand my > > > next thought I think. > > > > As a child I, along with the rest of my male siblings, was beaten a > > > lot by my father, it has certianly left it's mark on my and goes a > > > great deal to explaining certian facets of my pysche(as you would > > > expect), the biggest off shoot of this is how I think about the effect > > > of my actions on other people before I choose to act. > > > > As a child getting a beating by a perant hurts, emotionaly and > > > physicaly. So I retain the memory of how I felt at the time, and ask > > > myself, this question: > > > > If I act that way towards another person am I not engaging in the very > > > same actions that hurt me so much? > > > The answer is of course yes. > > > > Now having realised this I must further ask, retaining the memory of > > > how all of the felt and the mark it has left upon me, why would I wish > > > to inflict the same upon others? > > > The answer is I cannot do so and remain unhypocritical. > > > > These questions and answers I feel are based on more than my lifes > > > experiance, they are cold rationality in action, that is of course I > > > realise that my perception is skewed because of my experiances, yet at > > > the same time I do not think my answers irrational. > > > > So back to My Hussian. After being tied up and beaten, and > > > experiancing how that felt, the rational choice to make (according to > > > me) is to ensure that his family are all good, that any injuries get > > > seen to that any emotional or pshcological damage is restricted. To > > > my mind to seek instant redress and to 'do unto others as they have > > > done unto you' seems illogical, unhumane, and even worse it does make > > > you into the very thing that you are trieing to protect your family > > > against. > > > > Choices? Ummm can we choose our belifes? I don't know, I suspect > > > not. Can we choose how we behave? Yes yes of course we can.- Hide > > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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