The last line is pertinent Vam. I was barred from politics as a cop and looked forward to participating and thought Blair was a fresh voice. I knew I'd made a mistake by the time I cast my ballot in the Labour leadership elections. You are right that it is now very obvious that Blair is lying. I don't know how much you see of the other Labour 'top-turds' Vam, but they are now all the same. What you don't seem to grok is that this committee of enquiry is not taking place - it is the lie.
Much scientific research has been done on dreaming and its frankly rather dull. Depending on mood and circumstances, my mind can be like a cinema sweeping across the universe. I find it more difficult these days to separate dreaming and reality (thought of as the world where I have a bank account). Day dreaing and noodling time are more important than most realise as they thrust about doing nothing much importantly. My only real quibble about this material is that I generally find that quite ordinary evidence is what we need to live closer to the truth and we can't dream that up. The issue is whether focusing into dreams is exploration or just running away to hide (which isn't necessarily bad or cowardly, but can be). We are very bad at working out who is telling the truth - almost everyone fails even simple tests. In times of deception, Orwell said, to tell the truth is a great risk. We may confuse ourselves by thinking we can listen with our hearts, but the truth is that we are usually to frightened to say what needs to be said. It actually takes a lot of hard work to see the truth, or even to see one's own dreams for many. If there had been an enquiry Vam, Blair would have been dragged away in chains. On 29 Jan, 16:10, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > Ash, that's one point of view I understand ! > > Neil has railed against Blair, even against the public, including > himself, who couldn't know when he was lying ! I found that to be a > lie, after hearing Blair before the ' commission.' He was palpably > revealing all his lies. > > So, why was Neil revealing Britons as being as stupid as he projected > Blair to be ? > > In fact, the committee member, the chief who was riling Blair with his > questions, was a friend ( of mine ) in truth, as I saw him. > > Was it because Neil was limiting himself, to a scientific temper, when > all we have to do is to listen with our heart in its right place ! > > In fact, I am angry at having been led to the wrong view by someone > I'd felt is capable enough not to lie ! ? But Neil's view of Britons, > in respect of Blair / Bush, was a lie. If not, this committee and > enquiry would not have taken place ! > > Perhaps, Neil was merely ( over ) compensating for having been taken > for a ride ( by Blair ) ! > > On Jan 29, 12:05 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I recall a friend recommending yoga and lucid dreaming, but never saw > > the application or perhaps need that I do today. It cost me sleep but I > > had to read it, thanks Orn! > > > Many sciences influence my worldview(s) they are not the only thing, > > though I have been known to ex-pand/pound greatly on the philosophy and > > meaning of science. In that sense I may be tempted to use terms like > > scientism but that would incorrectly align myself with many of the > > alternatives. No offense taken Vam, I can appreciate the sentiment. One > > of my favorite sayings, "I'm one of those people who can understand and > > rationalize almost any point of view, but often piss everyone off when > > proposing my own." > > > On 1/29/2010 1:35 AM, Vamadevananda wrote: > > > > This is great, fundamental stuff ! > > > > I related the same method to experiences one is invited to through > > > stages described in the Tibetan Book of The Dead, while reading it a > > > long time ago. > > > > But, I am afraid, this is not what scientists and empiricists would be > > > able to appreciate, on account of limitations they have conditioned > > > themselves to. As a result, they might find it too uncomfortable, even > > > daunting, barring exceptions ! > > > > On Jan 29, 10:49 am, ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> We have discussed this topic before; however, here Alan presents a > > >> very cogent and insightful view of lucid dreaming and dream yoga. Does > > >> this help with any of your personal > > >> insights?http://www.tricycle.com/feature/3652-1.html?page=0,0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
