Indeed Bill. It is being used very dangerously in the scut-drugs culture, crushed, melted and injected. I have no real history to suggest I should avoid it and have occasional need when old wounds scar. Not needed it since a few weeks after my last corrective op. If the dreams were the only side-effect I might be tempted when the current pain starts, but I prefer just to half-hypnotise myself and go to bed. The irony is that is was developed not to be addictive!
On 31 Jan, 10:18, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > http://www.drugs.com/tramadol.html > > On Jan 30, 10:30 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > My therapist, years back now, as I said I didn't want to burden him > > with my crap, replied he was Teflon coated. He wasn't, as I > > discovered when I met him crying on the bus home one night. I'd like > > my dreams to reach their most lucid and technicoloured in self- > > analysis, but this is not the case - these come days after I've had to > > use Tramadol. > > The Guardian has some commentary that supports my view of the non- > > enquiry Vam. It's a very British show-trial, varying from the Soviet > > kind only in being aimed before it started at letting the accused off. > > > On 30 Jan, 18:43, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > That's me, Donna ! Teflon is the nicest compliment, perhaps > > > undeserved. > > > > There will never be a time when I'd be presumptuous enough to be > > > talking about you, or others. That's what others are for, to express > > > theirs. That leaves just me, my thoughts, my view, my values, my > > > beliefs ... me, me, me. > > > > Honest people speak on their own behalf. > > > > On Jan 30, 11:29 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "You said it. I concur. But that's the only thing worthwhile, > > > > essential > > > > and obligatory, we need to give to ourself." > > > > > Same self-presentational style as Mr Teflon: > > > > Yes. > Yes. > But ... (me-me-me) > > > > > On 30 Jan., 09:27, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 30, 12:28 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The last line is pertinent Vam. I was barred from politics as a cop > > > > > > and looked forward to participating and thought Blair was a fresh > > > > > > voice. I knew I'd made a mistake by the time I cast my ballot in > > > > > > the > > > > > > Labour leadership elections. You are right that it is now very > > > > > > obvious that Blair is lying. I don't know how much you see of the > > > > > > other Labour 'top-turds' Vam, but they are now all the same. What > > > > > > you > > > > > > don't seem to grok is that this committee of enquiry is not taking > > > > > > place - it is the lie. > > > > > > I watch CNN and BBC World occasionally. While watching the cross > > > > > questioning yesterday it was clear to me that the spearheading > > > > > committee member was for real ... the questions were the ones I would > > > > > ask, and persist with where they lead to. The ' poodling ' conduct of > > > > > Blair, his clear vested interest of some kind or other, not defined, > > > > > his lack of anything close to wisdom and statesmanship, not logical > > > > > and rational for the position he occupied, in and for UK and in and > > > > > for the world ... all of that was plain and reflected as much in > > > > > Blair's upset, clueless, mental processes as in his dry throat and > > > > > parched lips ! > > > > > > Perhaps, he might still be dragged away in chains, and if not, our > > > > > attention would be focused on the back - scratching politics > > > > > everywhere ... giving a clear area on which people like you and I > > > > > should work at unravelling and displacing. That, you and I may not be > > > > > in a position to do anything about it is really of no consequence. If > > > > > we continue to hold the right focus, others will emerge and step up, > > > > > in time. > > > > > > We actually do a disservice to ourself, belying our truths, when we go > > > > > overboard and hyperbole, except when it leads to alround joy, mirth > > > > > and laughter ! > > > > > > > Much scientific research has been done on dreaming and its frankly > > > > > > rather dull. Depending on mood and circumstances, my mind can be > > > > > > like > > > > > > a cinema sweeping across the universe. > > > > > > Indeed. You. The I, and all it carries. > > > > > > > I find it more difficult these > > > > > > days to separate dreaming and reality (thought of as the world > > > > > > where I > > > > > > have a bank account). > > > > > > Might it be that they are not really different at all ! ? Reality>>> > > > > > Bank Account >>> Finance >>> Money >>> Dreams ... > > > > > > Reality, as we know, is so much the stuff of our Dreams. > > > > > > > Day dreaing and noodling time are more > > > > > > important than most realise as they thrust about doing nothing much > > > > > > importantly. My only real quibble about this material is that I > > > > > > generally find that quite ordinary evidence is what we need to live > > > > > > closer to the truth and we can't dream that up. The issue is > > > > > > whether > > > > > > focusing into dreams is exploration or just running away to hide > > > > > > (which isn't necessarily bad or cowardly, but can be). > > > > > > I see this so - called Reality, the I, these explorations and running > > > > > away, all of it is of the stuff of our dreams. This Reality is within > > > > > a Dream and there are dreams within this reality. We think as we are > > > > > and we are as we think ! > > > > > > God is the Dreamer of this Reality, just as we are of ours. > > > > > > The supreme fact is the One, within which all that and this is > > > > > happening. That's the ontology, without religion. > > > > > > > We are very bad at working out who is telling the truth - almost > > > > > > everyone fails even simple tests. In times of deception, Orwell > > > > > > said, > > > > > > to tell the truth is a great risk. > > > > > > What's the lament ? Let's just know the truth before thinking up > > > > > consequences or what to do with it. I assume your agreement with : > > > > > KNOW THE TRUTH = LIVE THE TRUTH. > > > > > > > We may confuse ourselves by > > > > > > thinking we can listen with our hearts, but the truth is that we are > > > > > > usually to frightened to say what needs to be said. > > > > > > But, what would you say if you discover that we are not frightened to > > > > > say what needs to be said ... it is just that we do not yet know what > > > > > is to be said, followed by the where and how ! > > > > > > > It actually takes > > > > > > a lot of hard work to see the truth, or even to see one's own dreams > > > > > > for many. > > > > > > You said it. I concur. But that's the only thing worthwhile, essential > > > > > and obligatory, we need to give to ourself. > > > > > > > On 29 Jan, 16:10, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ash, that's one point of view I understand ! > > > > > > > > Neil has railed against Blair, even against the public, including > > > > > > > himself, who couldn't know when he was lying ! I found that to > > > > > > > be a > > > > > > > lie, after hearing Blair before the ' commission.' He was > > > > > > > palpably > > > > > > > revealing all his lies. > > > > > > > > So, why was Neil revealing Britons as being as stupid as he > > > > > > > projected > > > > > > > Blair to be ? > > > > > > > > In fact, the committee member, the chief who was riling Blair > > > > > > > with his > > > > > > > questions, was a friend ( of mine ) in truth, as I saw him. > > > > > > > > Was it because Neil was limiting himself, to a scientific temper, > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > all we have to do is to listen with our heart in its right place ! > > > > > > > > In fact, I am angry at having been led to the wrong view by > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > I'd felt is capable enough not to lie ! ? But Neil's view of > > > > > > > Britons, > > > > > > > in respect of Blair / Bush, was a lie. If not, this committee and > > > > > > > enquiry would not have taken place ! > > > > > > > > Perhaps, Neil was merely ( over ) compensating for having been > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > for a ride ( by Blair ) ! > > > > > > > > On Jan 29, 12:05 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I recall a friend recommending yoga and lucid dreaming, but > > > > > > > > never saw > > > > > > > > the application or perhaps need that I do today. It cost me > > > > > > > > sleep but I > > > > > > > > had to read it, thanks Orn! > > > > > > > > > Many sciences influence my worldview(s) they are not the only > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > though I have been known to ex-pand/pound greatly on the > > > > > > > > philosophy and > > > > > > > > meaning of science. In that sense I may be tempted to use terms > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > scientism but that would incorrectly align myself with many of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > alternatives. No offense taken Vam, I can appreciate the > > > > > > > > sentiment. One > > > > > > > > of my favorite sayings, "I'm one of those people who can > > > > > > > > understand and > > > > > > > > rationalize almost any point of view, but often piss everyone > > > > > > > > off when > > > > > > > > proposing my own." > > > > > > > > > On 1/29/2010 1:35 AM, Vamadevananda wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is great, fundamental stuff ! > > > > > > > > > > I related the same method to experiences one is invited to > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > stages described in the Tibetan Book of The Dead, while > > > > > > > > > reading it a > > > > > > > > > long time ago. > > > > > > > > > > But, I am afraid, this is not what scientists and empiricists > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > able to appreciate, on account of limitations they have > > > > > > > > > conditioned > > > > > > > > > themselves to. As a result, they might find it too > > > > > > > > > uncomfortable, even > > > > > > > > > daunting, barring exceptions ! > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 29, 10:49 am, ornamentalmind<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> We have discussed this topic before; however, here Alan > > > > > > > > >> presents a > > > > > > > > >> very cogent and insightful view of lucid dreaming and dream > > > > > > > > >> yoga. Does > > > > > > > > >> this help with any of your personal > > > > > > > > >> insights?http://www.tricycle.com/feature/3652-1.html?page=0,0-Hide > > > > > > > > >> quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
