On Jan 30, 12:28 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The last line is pertinent Vam. I was barred from politics as a cop > and looked forward to participating and thought Blair was a fresh > voice. I knew I'd made a mistake by the time I cast my ballot in the > Labour leadership elections. You are right that it is now very > obvious that Blair is lying. I don't know how much you see of the > other Labour 'top-turds' Vam, but they are now all the same. What you > don't seem to grok is that this committee of enquiry is not taking > place - it is the lie.
I watch CNN and BBC World occasionally. While watching the cross questioning yesterday it was clear to me that the spearheading committee member was for real ... the questions were the ones I would ask, and persist with where they lead to. The ' poodling ' conduct of Blair, his clear vested interest of some kind or other, not defined, his lack of anything close to wisdom and statesmanship, not logical and rational for the position he occupied, in and for UK and in and for the world ... all of that was plain and reflected as much in Blair's upset, clueless, mental processes as in his dry throat and parched lips ! Perhaps, he might still be dragged away in chains, and if not, our attention would be focused on the back - scratching politics everywhere ... giving a clear area on which people like you and I should work at unravelling and displacing. That, you and I may not be in a position to do anything about it is really of no consequence. If we continue to hold the right focus, others will emerge and step up, in time. We actually do a disservice to ourself, belying our truths, when we go overboard and hyperbole, except when it leads to alround joy, mirth and laughter ! > Much scientific research has been done on dreaming and its frankly > rather dull. Depending on mood and circumstances, my mind can be like > a cinema sweeping across the universe. Indeed. You. The I, and all it carries. > I find it more difficult these > days to separate dreaming and reality (thought of as the world where I > have a bank account). Might it be that they are not really different at all ! ? Reality >>> Bank Account >>> Finance >>> Money >>> Dreams ... Reality, as we know, is so much the stuff of our Dreams. > Day dreaing and noodling time are more > important than most realise as they thrust about doing nothing much > importantly. My only real quibble about this material is that I > generally find that quite ordinary evidence is what we need to live > closer to the truth and we can't dream that up. The issue is whether > focusing into dreams is exploration or just running away to hide > (which isn't necessarily bad or cowardly, but can be). I see this so - called Reality, the I, these explorations and running away, all of it is of the stuff of our dreams. This Reality is within a Dream and there are dreams within this reality. We think as we are and we are as we think ! God is the Dreamer of this Reality, just as we are of ours. The supreme fact is the One, within which all that and this is happening. That's the ontology, without religion. > We are very bad at working out who is telling the truth - almost > everyone fails even simple tests. In times of deception, Orwell said, > to tell the truth is a great risk. What's the lament ? Let's just know the truth before thinking up consequences or what to do with it. I assume your agreement with : KNOW THE TRUTH = LIVE THE TRUTH. > We may confuse ourselves by > thinking we can listen with our hearts, but the truth is that we are > usually to frightened to say what needs to be said. But, what would you say if you discover that we are not frightened to say what needs to be said ... it is just that we do not yet know what is to be said, followed by the where and how ! > It actually takes > a lot of hard work to see the truth, or even to see one's own dreams > for many. You said it. I concur. But that's the only thing worthwhile, essential and obligatory, we need to give to ourself. > > On 29 Jan, 16:10, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ash, that's one point of view I understand ! > > > Neil has railed against Blair, even against the public, including > > himself, who couldn't know when he was lying ! I found that to be a > > lie, after hearing Blair before the ' commission.' He was palpably > > revealing all his lies. > > > So, why was Neil revealing Britons as being as stupid as he projected > > Blair to be ? > > > In fact, the committee member, the chief who was riling Blair with his > > questions, was a friend ( of mine ) in truth, as I saw him. > > > Was it because Neil was limiting himself, to a scientific temper, when > > all we have to do is to listen with our heart in its right place ! > > > In fact, I am angry at having been led to the wrong view by someone > > I'd felt is capable enough not to lie ! ? But Neil's view of Britons, > > in respect of Blair / Bush, was a lie. If not, this committee and > > enquiry would not have taken place ! > > > Perhaps, Neil was merely ( over ) compensating for having been taken > > for a ride ( by Blair ) ! > > > On Jan 29, 12:05 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I recall a friend recommending yoga and lucid dreaming, but never saw > > > the application or perhaps need that I do today. It cost me sleep but I > > > had to read it, thanks Orn! > > > > Many sciences influence my worldview(s) they are not the only thing, > > > though I have been known to ex-pand/pound greatly on the philosophy and > > > meaning of science. In that sense I may be tempted to use terms like > > > scientism but that would incorrectly align myself with many of the > > > alternatives. No offense taken Vam, I can appreciate the sentiment. One > > > of my favorite sayings, "I'm one of those people who can understand and > > > rationalize almost any point of view, but often piss everyone off when > > > proposing my own." > > > > On 1/29/2010 1:35 AM, Vamadevananda wrote: > > > > > This is great, fundamental stuff ! > > > > > I related the same method to experiences one is invited to through > > > > stages described in the Tibetan Book of The Dead, while reading it a > > > > long time ago. > > > > > But, I am afraid, this is not what scientists and empiricists would be > > > > able to appreciate, on account of limitations they have conditioned > > > > themselves to. As a result, they might find it too uncomfortable, even > > > > daunting, barring exceptions ! > > > > > On Jan 29, 10:49 am, ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> We have discussed this topic before; however, here Alan presents a > > > >> very cogent and insightful view of lucid dreaming and dream yoga. Does > > > >> this help with any of your personal > > > >> insights?http://www.tricycle.com/feature/3652-1.html?page=0,0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
