Just after I turn up to watch a Bertold Brecht play in ash grey
pajamas Vam and you discover brown eyes can have a mean blue streak
due to an accident in which a mirror shatters.

On 1 Feb, 08:10, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> " ... equality ... "
>
> It's a huge word !  I wonder how or when you'll " find " it ?
>
> On Feb 1, 12:42 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My own attitude to homosexuality is boredom, at least since my friend
> > Jim died.  Our standing jokes were that we had founded the male
> > lesbian society, but couldn't make ends meet, and his habit of giving
> > me large brown envelopes in public, as he was training me to become a
> > member of Parliament.  Gender issues are so dull I can't see why
> > anyone can be interested in them.  Once one finds equality the rest is
> > meaningless.
>
> > On 1 Feb, 01:01, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Walter W*nk - (surely not Orn! ed).  I can't really be bothered with
> > > the scriptures themselves Orn - preferring to rely on Francis and
> > > others who have done the work.  I have seen and heard (actually at the
> > > knee of a Mullah - an exceptionally gentle man I hope is still my
> > > friend after many years) similar in Islam, especially the need to
> > > relate to modern conditions (almost like methodological marxism).  I'd
> > > say a bit the same of the hand you have disclosed and am grateful you
> > > have.  Deconstruction gets to a lot of these places, especially in its
> > > considerations of violence, the 'scratching pen' and so on (and on).
> > > One biblical passage that haunts me is Numbers 31.  Here Moses, by
> > > modern standards, is a gruesome war criminal (the only ones to get to
> > > stay alive are the virgin women, surprise, surprise), seen later in
> > > Norman harrowings and genocides all over before and past the text.
> > > The Scottish 'Law of Innocents' is in part a response to utterly
> > > dreadful slayings, and an attempt to regulate them.  The idea of a
> > > religion changing with new knowledge is a good one; I am much less
> > > concerned with the origin of such thinking than to cherish it and
> > > regret in despair we have not found means to be in its wider spirit.
> > > The spirit has been around for eons, in such question as whether Jesus
> > > owned the clothes he wore, though even these have been turned to
> > > ghastly political purpose.  Blair could no doubt turn such writing to
> > > reasons to invade Iran!  There is great hospitality in such
> > > interpretations and scholarship.  If I can listen as an 'atheist', one
> > > has to wonder why so many ancient-text thumpers cannot?
>
> > > On 31 Jan, 17:51, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > Talk about serendipity! I just came across this article on the
> > > > facebook page of a recently connected grade school friend. He was one
> > > > of the brightest people I knew back then. He taught me chess when we
> > > > were 5. He himself went on to complete seminary training and practiced
> > > > most of his adult life. Now he is the executive director of a
> > > > Christian Center.
>
> > > > For the record, I claim to know little about Christianity and do not
> > > > embrace much of what little I do understand about many of its tenets.
> > > > I still find this article to be quite clear, well thought out and a
> > > > clear rebuttal to free thinkers who deny the changing nature of
> > > > religious thought. Also, in no way should this be construed as me
> > > > acting as a Christian apologist; rather, it is to, as Neil so deftly
> > > > pointed out, place all thought under the microscope.
>
> > > >http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-walter-wink
>
> > > > From the above article:
>
> > > > “…What Jesus gives us is a critique of domination in all its forms, a
> > > > critique that can be turned on the Bible itself. The Bible thus
> > > > contains the principles of its own correction. We are freed from
> > > > bibliolatry, the worship of the Bible. It is restored to its proper
> > > > place as witness to the Word of God. And that word is a Person, not a
> > > > book…” – from Homosexuality and the Bible
> > > > by The Rev. Dr. Walter Wink

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