One does not need to dream merely on the basis of sex Pat. On 2 Feb, 17:22, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 2 Feb, 14:53, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ah! Some sanity at last Francis. Pat is at peace with his scrolls to > > examine and you and I are dreaming of lesbians. > > Seems a bit of a waste of time dreaming of those who wouldn't be > interested in you, but, hey, since you've done it, it's a part of > space-time and I have to accept that. ;-) > > > > >I found something > > delightful reading on the philosophy of information. The guy hints > > that his work may eventually allow philosophers to understand what it > > is they have been doing all these years - mere commentary on the new > > field of PI. > > > On 1 Feb, 17:27, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 1 Feb, 13:39, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 1 February 2010 13:30, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Avtually, that view of the Bible being the witness to the Word, as > > > > > expressed in Jesus, is the Islamic view OF the Bible. Funny that. I > > > > > wonder if your old mate knows that. Of course, how does he rectify > > > > > that the very witness, the Bible, in particular, the Gospels according > > > > > to Matthew and Luke, contradicts itself in that they proffer varying > > > > > lineages? No 'sound' witness would do that. So, whilst the Word may > > > > > be sound, the Witness is faulty and cannot be relied upon to properly > > > > > portray the 'Word'. Thus was the case FOR the Qur'an, in order to > > > > > rectify the previous false witnessing. > > > > > Sorry Pat, don't follow you. Are you saying the Qu'ran rectifies the > > > > internal incoherence of the New Testament's Gospels? > > > > > Ian > > > > In many ways, yes. Although it certainly doesn't address the lineage > > > of Jesus in ANY way. The Qur'an was 'revealed' so that the spirit of > > > what was in the Torah and the Gospels (that is, Jesus' actual > > > teachings--NOTHING at all to do with Paul and Pauline doctrine!!) > > > would be contained in one work. The 'Word' in Islam is the Qur'an and > > > the 'witness' for that word was the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). As I'm > > > still in the process of learning Arabic, I can't fully comment on the > > > original Qur'an, but from what I do understand after reading three > > > different translations, it IS internally consistent, given the fact > > > that it was revealed over 22 years. There are some verses that > > > abrogate others, but that was done for the express reason of making > > > certain limitations (like the prohibition of alcohol) easier for the > > > believers to take on board. Just like, if you want to know how people > > > were acting prior to the 10 Commandments, read the 10 Commandments; if > > > you want to know how people were acting prior to the Qur'an, read the > > > Qur'an. On Saturday, I finally bought a copy of Abdullah Yusuf Ali's > > > translation with full Arabic text AND his commentary. Just the > > > translation alone is about 380 pages, but the book I bought on > > > Saturday is about 1800+ pages. LOTS of commentary!! Thus lots to > > > absorb. I was able to read the translation in 5 days but I suspect it > > > will take monthd to trawl through the entire commentaries, much les, > > > absorb the subtle double-entendres in the Arabic. Luckily, I've made > > > contact with the local Sheik, who seems more than willing to help...as > > > you would expect, really.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
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