This was fantastic. Wish at least a part of the paradisical were real ! On Feb 5, 7:38 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Fear not Vam, I know you too well for umbrage. I thought I was > dreaming last night. A Ugandan vicar was urging his congregation to > be real men, shag women to become one as god intended and to convert > or hang homosexuals. In the dream hinterland, white Xtian > fundamentalists were urging abstinence. HIV had become a gift from god > to punish the gaylord-demons. Americans were around, claiming not to > have funded all this. In crescendo, the vicar was thrusting about the > notion that Uganda would demonstrate to the corrupt, spineless white > world, just what real men are. I did not wake from this dream, just > realised I was watching television. Thinking of homosexual conversion > opportunities, not quite as directed by the vicar, though of a > distinctly Ugandan type, I directed my dreams to a trip to Lesbos with > Francis. It was an exciting dream. As we approached Vam, sitting on > a rock with what we presumed a vast tome of ancient erotica, we > further assumed the most dreadful perversions, as the site was strewn > about with gutted cuttlefish. We increased pace to ask our friend for > guidance on the symbolism. 'Ah! My friends', said Vam, smiling > gently. 'You are here at last to join me in the great appetites of > life'. 'Begorrah!' said Francis, just to symbolize he is Irish and > the role of stereotypes in fantasy. Several scantily clad Lesbians > flocked around, gathering up the fish (though this may have happened > afterwards when the commercial director got the script). We enjoyed > the cuttlefish. Vam had been reading a cook book. Aristotle (and who > was more of Lesbos than he?) joined us, somewhat miffed to have been > converted by Vam on the nature of the cuttlefish liver and its > possession of three hearts, though he commented graciously on the > gentle spices of Vam's cooking. The film of the dream will be out > shortly. An 'indie' of course, made in Bulgaria by a Norwegian > director. Strangely, Vam, Francis, Aristotle and myself play no > further part after this opening, the rest entirely devoted to scantily > clad women discussing philosophy. The working title may stand - 'How > to Convert a Lesbian: an exploration of anatomy in the place of > Aristotle's Birth'. This will let it through the censorship laws in > New Hampshire. > > On 4 Feb, 12:21, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, I manage to mention something to the air as I rise. :-) Off to > > Yoga. > > > On Feb 4, 6:14 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Strange isn't it how differant minds work. I guess I must remember at > > > least 95% of my dreams on waking. In fact the first words out of my > > > mouth upon waking is most offten 'darlin' I have just had a really > > > strange dream'. > > > > On 4 Feb, 11:54, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > That would also explain waking in the midst of an orgasm or wet dream- > > > > or a charley horse-, I suppose.//Yes, I have been an active particpant > > > > in dreams containing people from real life- all very busy with action > > > > and dialogue- which I forget quickly on waking. > > > > > On Feb 3, 10:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not referring to falling or flying dreams. Lucid dreams that > > > > > present a situation in which one is standing on a street that is > > > > > bustling with people and vehicular traffic amidst a frenzy of other > > > > > activities also presents an opportunity for the dreamer to enter into > > > > > a building or board a bus and consciously initiate change within the > > > > > dream. Within the dream I could decide where I want to go or what I > > > > > want to do but again the problem being unwarranted awakening from the > > > > > dream. > > > > > These are advanced stages of dreaming which I experience quite often. > > > > > Having conversations with people in a dream is very common for me as > > > > > well as being aware of the surroundings in which the dream is taking > > > > > place. It is trying to create interaction between the dream realm > > > > > and the waking conscious world that is most difficult. Something like > > > > > if I were to write a note and leave it under a rock at a park in my > > > > > dream and then find that note the next day in this life. If you have > > > > > never had dreams like this you wont understand it. A large part of my > > > > > life is my dream world. It is like another life, as if I am also > > > > > living in my dreams as well as living here. > > > > > Sure there is a connection with the physical here and the dream so one > > > > > could easily wake up sweating with a rapid heart beat or shake about > > > > > in bed because that is at least one connection that we know exists. > > > > > The connection of the person in the dream with the person lying in the > > > > > bed. I had received an electric shock once within a dream and my arm > > > > > jumped back in bed as I was wakening. I could still feel the physical > > > > > reaction to getting shocked but there were no wires or electrical > > > > > devices in the bed so I had to be somewhere else at the time of > > > > > receiving the shock. The shock had to be real if my arm reacted to > > > > > it. How much further could I have navigated within the dream if I > > > > > didn't wake up? > > > > > > On Feb 3, 9:13 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Long ago I had dreams about falling and would wake to catch myself > > > > > > about to roll off the edge of the bed so perhaps that is a form of > > > > > > control. But whose control? The dreamer or the dream?// Another > > > > > > thing- > > > > > > I wake knowing I have dreamed but the dream is often forgotten. How > > > > > > does the brain know this? Sometimes the only clue is a nether state > > > > > > which lasts until I am up and about plus a cup of coffee. > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 10:00 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is not about controlling the dream but of having control > > > > > > > within the > > > > > > > dream. There is a point within the dream that beyond knowing > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > am dreaming I can have instances of consciousness in decision > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > as to what I want to do in the dream and where I want to go. > > > > > > > Problem > > > > > > > being that just then when I'm about to initiate a personal > > > > > > > voluntary > > > > > > > action within the dream I begin waking up, sometimes gradually but > > > > > > > most often abruptly, like being ripped out of the place I know I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > in. > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 4:09 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You can't control a sleeping dream- try daydreaming. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 3:35 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That dreams are illusory is speculative. A dream can be much > > > > > > > > > more if > > > > > > > > > only one could stay within it long enough to navigate. One of > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > problems with dreams is waking up from them too soon, mainly > > > > > > > > > just when > > > > > > > > > I'm achieving some control within them. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 28, 11:49 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We have discussed this topic before; however, here Alan > > > > > > > > > > presents a > > > > > > > > > > very cogent and insightful view of lucid dreaming and dream > > > > > > > > > > yoga. Does > > > > > > > > > > this help with any of your personal > > > > > > > > > > insights?http://www.tricycle.com/feature/3652-1.html?page=0,0-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
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