"some here are allowed to do anything" We all agree, fid, to abide by the guidelines. If at one time or another, someone falls out, the moderators remind them. It does happen to some more than others, but then again, some need reminding and others don't. The quality of moderating is not the issue but is often used as a smoke screen for those that have been asked to follow the guidelines. Saying him not me does not change the fact that each must follow the guidelines. Even your work "threatened" is inflammatory and over dramatises the situation. The point is: agree or disagree with specific statements. Do not attack what you percieve to be someones general philosophy or their character. Very simple. I too hope you can comply and not become one of the few who have been banned. But continued personal attacks, or confrontation with the moderators, may bring it about as outlined in the guidelines. Folks here keep stating this to you in hopes that you will understand and change your rhetoric.
On Feb 6, 5:21 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand, I just want other people to recognise that some here are > allowed to do anything and say anything while others are threatened > repeatedly for the same. That is why I used the same words rather than > subtlety. > > On Feb 6, 11:59 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Dude. It's not hate but it IS disrespectful in the extreme. If you > > can't be subtle about it cut it out. Ignore insults and attack the > > idea. Use words like "in my opinion" or "seems ridiculous to me." > > This tells us how you feel about someone's ideas in a less > > confrontational way. I understand what you are talking about but if > > you continue to act injured without altering or even trying to alter > > your tone you'll just get tossed out. You have value here and it > > shouldn't be that difficult to remain civil. It's a sign of maturity > > to be able to ignore insults whether they are real or just perceived. > > If you get in a tit for tat you will lose because you're the new guy. > > It doesn't have to be fair it's just the way things are. > > > dj > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:55 PM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > gonna keep deleting my responses? You are a hateful, hate-filled > > > person that doesn't know what you are talking about. Is that better > > > and less ad hom? > > > > On Feb 6, 10:38 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> The guidelines keep us making statements about peoples concepts and > > >> ideas as they have made them specifically, not our general > > >> interpretation of them. For example, if I took your statement: > > >> "Empathy is always difficult and often unnecessary when the person > > >> need > > >> only quit reacting emotionally to everything and think honestly about > > >> themselves." > > > >> and said, "are you too stupid to feel empathy?" it would be an ad hom > > > >> but if I said, empathy requires us to feel emotion, and if you are > > >> choosing not to feel emotion, you may be choosing not to be > > >> empathetic." it would be a challenge to your statement. > > > >> if I said, "your stupid statement about empathy just goes to show that > > >> you have no feeling" guess what? ad hom > > > >> are you getting the idea? personal attacks that demean the person are > > >> not allowed. You cannot get around this by attacking the moderators. > > > >> On Feb 6, 12:19 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > No question about the ad hom there, fid. Personal attacks are not > > >> > tolerated here, and you tell folks here you have been told this > > >> > several times, so I would ask your own question of you, why do you > > >> > continue? I will let Allan answer for himself, but I believe he is > > >> > addressing the fact that you make oppositional statements about people > > >> > rather than their ideas, and this can be construed as hate. It is > > >> > also not allowed within the guidelines. Your comments about the > > >> > quality of moderation, are again, ad hom, and not tolerated. I've > > >> > watched about every group member here try to reach an understanding > > >> > with you on this, and still you make statements like "are you really > > >> > this stupid" knowing it is ad hom. Are you purposefully disregarding > > >> > the guidelines or don't you understand them? > > > >> > On Feb 6, 12:03 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > Are you really this stupid or are you just playing it for a crowd? I > > >> > > don't hate you, believers, or anything. Quit projecting, even if you > > >> > > do have a mod for a fan. > > > >> > > On Feb 6, 2:30 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > Fid the point is is people see thing differently than you do. You > > >> > > > give > > >> > > > medical diagnosis when some of north America's leading > > >> > > > psychiatrist give no > > >> > > > diagnosis what so ever. No it was not in their offices but rather > > >> > > > out > > >> > > > sailing one cruises lasting several days. Regardless of your > > >> > > > personal > > >> > > > hatred of beliefs of others, these incidents though rare and not > > >> > > > uncommon > > >> > > > and provide insite into beliefs systems. > > >> > > > You do not learn by closing your mind with hatred because someone > > >> > > > see things > > >> > > > differently an example of your style to rebuttal has occurred > > >> > > > several times > > >> > > > before one of which was the time the called the world flat. You > > >> > > > fid are one > > >> > > > of the people calling the world flat? > > >> > > > Allan > > > >> > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:35 PM, fiddler <[email protected]> > > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > I don't care about slamming you, although it wouldn't be > > >> > > > > difficult if > > >> > > > > I wanted to. I simply use the information that you provided. You > > >> > > > > admit > > >> > > > > delusions both auditory and visual: schizophrenia. You enjoy > > >> > > > > them and > > >> > > > > have elevated them to divine: reluctance to medicate. Yes, that > > >> > > > > is an > > >> > > > > old adage. > > > >> > > > > On Feb 4, 11:02 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > Interesting Fid, > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, fiddler > > >> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > You see what you choose to see. If you knew how little > > >> > > > > > > emotion I have > > >> > > > > > > invested in random strangers in online chat groups... I have > > >> > > > > > > even less > > >> > > > > > > invested in unmedicated schizophrenics. > > > >> > > > > > So your argument is that if you can not slam them you call the > > >> > > > > > person an > > >> > > > > > unmedicated schizophrenic that is very kind of you to give me > > >> > > > > > your > > >> > > > > medical > > >> > > > > > diagnosis.. I think I will stick with my friends that are > > >> > > > > > actually > > >> > > > > doctors > > >> > > > > > and psychiatrist. I am not a doctor and can not give a > > >> > > > > > diagnosis but > > >> > > > > there > > >> > > > > > is an old adage what we see in others is exactly what we see > > >> > > > > > in our > > >> > > > > selves. > > >> > > > > > Allan > > > >> > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > I understand Orn when I read what fid is writing I do not > > >> > > > > > > see an > > >> > > > > exchange > > >> > > > > > > of ideas but what appears to be a foaming hate filled > > >> > > > > > > being. If he is > > >> > > > > > going > > >> > > > > > > to university with an attitude like that it would be a > > >> > > > > > > wonder if he > > >> > > > > could > > >> > > > > > > get through even a single class. > > >> > > > > > > Allan > > > >> > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ornamentalmind < > > >> > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > Truth be told...I cut fid a lot of slack. He's going to > > >> > > > > > > > > university, > > >> > > > > > > > > studying a lot of stuff, interacting on numerous online > > >> > > > > > > > > groups....I > > >> > > > > > > > > know that more than once I hurried through posts missing > > >> > > > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > intent. > > >> > > > > > > > > Oh, and I also remember when I knew a lot of stuff and > > >> > > > > > > > > knew others > > >> > > > > > > > > didnt...and attempted to put interaction and discussion > > >> > > > > > > > > into a > > >> > > > > > > > > box...with tenets and rules and all of that...which I'd > > >> > > > > > > > > attempt to > > >> > > > > > > > > impose on everyone else. Doing such things surely make > > >> > > > > > > > > the universe > > >> > > > > a > > >> > > > > > > > > more 'friendly', if not understood, place. > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 2:12 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > Fid you are dealing with a bunch of old people here > > >> > > > > > > > > > who ahve been > > >> > > > > > > around > > >> > > > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > > bush a time or two. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Since you like simple sentences I will give you one to > > >> > > > > > > > > > ponder. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I know God is real because I have meet and seen him. > > >> > > > > > > > > > He has > > >> > > > > spoken to > > >> > > > > > > me. > > >> > > > > > > > > I > > >> > > > > > > > > > have spoken to him, and which is even more amazing he > > >> > > > > > > > > > is my > > >> > > > > friend. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:53 PM, fiddler > > >> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > When you learn the difference between personal bias > > >> > > > > > > > > > > and dogma I > > >> > > > > > > will > > >> > > > > > > > > > > be quite impressed. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 8:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hahahah you are a funny one Fidds, and you still > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > have just > > >> > > > > not > > >> > > > > > > got it > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > yet I see. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dogma - > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > church. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > laid down, as > > >> > > > > by > > >> > > > > > > a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > church: the dogma of the Assumption. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. prescribed doctrine: political dogma. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > principle. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Your insistance that those of religious faith are, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > not > > >> > > > > > > intelectual, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > peddle nonsense, and are liars is certianly > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > evidance of > > >> > > > > number 4 > > >> > > > > > > on > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the list above. So indeed yes I agree we should > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > all learn > > >> > > > > what > > >> > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > words we use mean. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As to labeling people my friend you have not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ceased doing > > >> > > > > that > > >> > > > > > > from > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the moment you joined us. Umm pot - kettle me > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > thinks. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another angry man who can dish it yet cannot > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > take it. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Feb, 16:20, fiddler <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really overestimated your intelligence... > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen fundie: quit telling me what I think, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > promote, > > >> > > > > desire, > > >> > > > > > > or > > >> > > > > > > > > mean. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you people like reading volumes into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > sentences, but > > >> > > > > it > > >> > > > > > > never > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > looks well on you. Learn what simple concepts > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > like dogma > > >> > > > > > > actually > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mean, your > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
