gonna keep deleting my responses? You are a hateful, hate-filled
person that doesn't know what you are talking about. Is that better
and less ad hom?

On Feb 6, 10:38 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> The guidelines keep us making statements about peoples concepts and
> ideas as they have made them specifically, not our general
> interpretation of them.  For example, if I took your statement:
> "Empathy is always difficult and often unnecessary when the person
> need
> only quit reacting emotionally to everything and think honestly about
> themselves."
>
> and said, "are you too stupid to feel empathy?" it would be an ad hom
>
> but if I said, empathy requires us to feel emotion, and if you are
> choosing not to feel emotion, you may be choosing not to be
> empathetic." it would be a challenge to your statement.
>
> if I said, "your stupid statement about empathy just goes to show that
> you have no feeling"  guess what?  ad hom
>
> are you getting the idea?  personal attacks that demean the person are
> not allowed.  You cannot get around this by attacking the moderators.
>
> On Feb 6, 12:19 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > No question about the ad hom there, fid.  Personal attacks are not
> > tolerated here, and you tell folks here you have been told this
> > several times, so I would ask your own question of you, why do you
> > continue?  I will let Allan answer for himself, but I believe he is
> > addressing the fact that you make oppositional statements about people
> > rather than their ideas, and this can be construed as hate.  It is
> > also not allowed within the guidelines.  Your comments about the
> > quality of moderation, are again, ad hom, and not tolerated.  I've
> > watched about every group member here try to reach an understanding
> > with you on this, and still you make statements like "are you really
> > this stupid" knowing it is ad hom.  Are you purposefully  disregarding
> > the guidelines or don't you understand them?
>
> > On Feb 6, 12:03 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Are you really this stupid or are you just playing it for a crowd? I
> > > don't hate you, believers, or anything. Quit projecting, even if you
> > > do have a mod for a fan.
>
> > > On Feb 6, 2:30 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Fid the point is is people see thing differently than you do. You give
> > > > medical diagnosis when some of north America's leading psychiatrist 
> > > > give no
> > > > diagnosis what so ever. No it was not in their offices but rather out
> > > > sailing one cruises lasting several days.  Regardless of your personal
> > > > hatred of beliefs of others, these incidents though rare and not 
> > > > uncommon
> > > > and provide insite into beliefs systems.
> > > > You do not learn by closing your mind with hatred because someone see 
> > > > things
> > > > differently an example of your style to rebuttal has occurred several 
> > > > times
> > > > before one of which was the time the called the world flat. You fid are 
> > > > one
> > > > of the people calling the world  flat?
> > > > Allan
>
> > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:35 PM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > I don't care about slamming you, although it wouldn't be difficult if
> > > > > I wanted to. I simply use the information that you provided. You admit
> > > > > delusions both auditory and visual: schizophrenia. You enjoy them and
> > > > > have elevated them to divine: reluctance to medicate. Yes, that is an
> > > > > old adage.
>
> > > > > On Feb 4, 11:02 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > Interesting Fid,
>
> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, fiddler <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > You see what you choose to see. If you knew how little emotion I 
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > invested in random strangers in online chat groups... I have even 
> > > > > > > less
> > > > > > > invested in unmedicated schizophrenics.
>
> > > > > > So your argument is that if you can not slam them you call the 
> > > > > > person an
> > > > > > unmedicated schizophrenic that is very kind of you to give me your
> > > > > medical
> > > > > > diagnosis..  I think I will stick with my friends that are actually
> > > > > doctors
> > > > > > and psychiatrist. I am not a doctor and can not give a diagnosis  
> > > > > > but
> > > > > there
> > > > > > is an old adage what we see in others is exactly what we see in our
> > > > > selves.
> > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I understand Orn when I read what fid is writing  I do not see an
> > > > > exchange
> > > > > > > of ideas  but what appears to be a foaming hate filled being. If 
> > > > > > > he is
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > to university with an attitude like that it would be a wonder if 
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > get through even a single class.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Truth be told...I cut fid a lot of slack. He's going to 
> > > > > > > > > university,
> > > > > > > > > studying a lot of stuff, interacting on numerous online 
> > > > > > > > > groups....I
> > > > > > > > > know that more than once I hurried through posts missing the
> > > > > intent.
> > > > > > > > > Oh, and I also remember when I knew a lot of stuff and knew 
> > > > > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > > didnt...and attempted to put interaction and discussion into a
> > > > > > > > > box...with tenets and rules and all of that...which I'd 
> > > > > > > > > attempt to
> > > > > > > > > impose on everyone else. Doing such things surely make the 
> > > > > > > > > universe
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > more 'friendly', if not understood, place.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 2:12 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Fid you are dealing with a bunch of old people here who 
> > > > > > > > > > ahve been
> > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > bush a time or two.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Since you like simple sentences I will give you one to 
> > > > > > > > > > ponder.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I know God is real because I have meet and seen him. He has
> > > > > spoken to
> > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > have spoken to him, and which is even more amazing he is my
> > > > > friend.
> > > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:53 PM, fiddler 
> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > When you learn the difference between personal bias and 
> > > > > > > > > > > dogma I
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > be quite impressed.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 8:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hahahah you are a funny one Fidds, and you still have 
> > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > got it
> > > > > > > > > > > > yet I see.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dogma -
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid 
> > > > > > > > > > > > down, as
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > church: the dogma of the Assumption.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. prescribed doctrine: political dogma.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > principle.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Your insistance that those of religious faith are, not
> > > > > > > intelectual,
> > > > > > > > > > > > peddle nonsense, and are liars is certianly evidance of
> > > > > number 4
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > the list above.  So indeed yes I agree we should all 
> > > > > > > > > > > > learn
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > words we use mean.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > As to labeling people my friend you have not ceased 
> > > > > > > > > > > > doing
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > the moment you joined us.  Umm pot - kettle me thinks.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another angry man who can dish it yet cannot take 
> > > > > > > > > > > > it.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Feb, 16:20, fiddler <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really overestimated your intelligence...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen fundie: quit telling me what I think, promote,
> > > > > desire,
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > mean.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you people like reading volumes into 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sentences, but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > looks well on you. Learn what simple concepts like 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dogma
> > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mean, your priest and those fundie websites lie to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you feel the need to label people with your own 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > handicaps
> > > > > does
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > make it so, it just insures you won't understand what 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > talking about.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 7:01 am, ornamentalmind <
> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > “…I'm against children having their minds polluted 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > mysticism,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense, and lies perpetrated by politicians and
> > > > > priests.” –
> > > > > > > fid
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you must be for removing children from their 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > young age and raising them in ‘free thinking’
> > > > > enclaves…thus
> > > > > > > > > > > protecting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them from all of what your dogma defines as 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘nonsense’.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 8:50 pm, fiddler <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gatherings for sports, special subject 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,
> > > > > > > social
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interaction, etc, are always with other 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like-minded
> > > > > > > families.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus removing that messy and uncomfortable 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situation in
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around those not of a like mind? This breeds
> > > > > intolerance
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > sad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjugation to dogmas and narrow minded 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldviews. Not
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the public, factory worker, indoctrination 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system; only
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against children having their minds polluted by
> > > > > mysticism,
> > > > > > > > > > > nonsense,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lies perpetrated by
>
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>
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