Dude. It's not hate but it IS disrespectful in the extreme. If you can't be subtle about it cut it out. Ignore insults and attack the idea. Use words like "in my opinion" or "seems ridiculous to me." This tells us how you feel about someone's ideas in a less confrontational way. I understand what you are talking about but if you continue to act injured without altering or even trying to alter your tone you'll just get tossed out. You have value here and it shouldn't be that difficult to remain civil. It's a sign of maturity to be able to ignore insults whether they are real or just perceived. If you get in a tit for tat you will lose because you're the new guy. It doesn't have to be fair it's just the way things are.
dj On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:55 PM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > gonna keep deleting my responses? You are a hateful, hate-filled > person that doesn't know what you are talking about. Is that better > and less ad hom? > > On Feb 6, 10:38 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> The guidelines keep us making statements about peoples concepts and >> ideas as they have made them specifically, not our general >> interpretation of them. For example, if I took your statement: >> "Empathy is always difficult and often unnecessary when the person >> need >> only quit reacting emotionally to everything and think honestly about >> themselves." >> >> and said, "are you too stupid to feel empathy?" it would be an ad hom >> >> but if I said, empathy requires us to feel emotion, and if you are >> choosing not to feel emotion, you may be choosing not to be >> empathetic." it would be a challenge to your statement. >> >> if I said, "your stupid statement about empathy just goes to show that >> you have no feeling" guess what? ad hom >> >> are you getting the idea? personal attacks that demean the person are >> not allowed. You cannot get around this by attacking the moderators. >> >> On Feb 6, 12:19 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > No question about the ad hom there, fid. Personal attacks are not >> > tolerated here, and you tell folks here you have been told this >> > several times, so I would ask your own question of you, why do you >> > continue? I will let Allan answer for himself, but I believe he is >> > addressing the fact that you make oppositional statements about people >> > rather than their ideas, and this can be construed as hate. It is >> > also not allowed within the guidelines. Your comments about the >> > quality of moderation, are again, ad hom, and not tolerated. I've >> > watched about every group member here try to reach an understanding >> > with you on this, and still you make statements like "are you really >> > this stupid" knowing it is ad hom. Are you purposefully disregarding >> > the guidelines or don't you understand them? >> >> > On Feb 6, 12:03 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > Are you really this stupid or are you just playing it for a crowd? I >> > > don't hate you, believers, or anything. Quit projecting, even if you >> > > do have a mod for a fan. >> >> > > On Feb 6, 2:30 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Fid the point is is people see thing differently than you do. You give >> > > > medical diagnosis when some of north America's leading psychiatrist >> > > > give no >> > > > diagnosis what so ever. No it was not in their offices but rather out >> > > > sailing one cruises lasting several days. Regardless of your personal >> > > > hatred of beliefs of others, these incidents though rare and not >> > > > uncommon >> > > > and provide insite into beliefs systems. >> > > > You do not learn by closing your mind with hatred because someone see >> > > > things >> > > > differently an example of your style to rebuttal has occurred several >> > > > times >> > > > before one of which was the time the called the world flat. You fid >> > > > are one >> > > > of the people calling the world flat? >> > > > Allan >> >> > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:35 PM, fiddler <[email protected]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > I don't care about slamming you, although it wouldn't be difficult if >> > > > > I wanted to. I simply use the information that you provided. You >> > > > > admit >> > > > > delusions both auditory and visual: schizophrenia. You enjoy them and >> > > > > have elevated them to divine: reluctance to medicate. Yes, that is an >> > > > > old adage. >> >> > > > > On Feb 4, 11:02 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > Interesting Fid, >> >> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, fiddler <[email protected]> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > You see what you choose to see. If you knew how little emotion I >> > > > > > > have >> > > > > > > invested in random strangers in online chat groups... I have >> > > > > > > even less >> > > > > > > invested in unmedicated schizophrenics. >> >> > > > > > So your argument is that if you can not slam them you call the >> > > > > > person an >> > > > > > unmedicated schizophrenic that is very kind of you to give me your >> > > > > medical >> > > > > > diagnosis.. I think I will stick with my friends that are actually >> > > > > doctors >> > > > > > and psychiatrist. I am not a doctor and can not give a diagnosis >> > > > > > but >> > > > > there >> > > > > > is an old adage what we see in others is exactly what we see in our >> > > > > selves. >> > > > > > Allan >> >> > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > I understand Orn when I read what fid is writing I do not see an >> > > > > exchange >> > > > > > > of ideas but what appears to be a foaming hate filled being. If >> > > > > > > he is >> > > > > > going >> > > > > > > to university with an attitude like that it would be a wonder if >> > > > > > > he >> > > > > could >> > > > > > > get through even a single class. >> > > > > > > Allan >> >> > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > Truth be told...I cut fid a lot of slack. He's going to >> > > > > > > > > university, >> > > > > > > > > studying a lot of stuff, interacting on numerous online >> > > > > > > > > groups....I >> > > > > > > > > know that more than once I hurried through posts missing the >> > > > > intent. >> > > > > > > > > Oh, and I also remember when I knew a lot of stuff and knew >> > > > > > > > > others >> > > > > > > > > didnt...and attempted to put interaction and discussion into >> > > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > box...with tenets and rules and all of that...which I'd >> > > > > > > > > attempt to >> > > > > > > > > impose on everyone else. Doing such things surely make the >> > > > > > > > > universe >> > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > more 'friendly', if not understood, place. >> >> > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 2:12 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > Fid you are dealing with a bunch of old people here who >> > > > > > > > > > ahve been >> > > > > > > around >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > bush a time or two. >> >> > > > > > > > > > Since you like simple sentences I will give you one to >> > > > > > > > > > ponder. >> >> > > > > > > > > > I know God is real because I have meet and seen him. He has >> > > > > spoken to >> > > > > > > me. >> > > > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > > have spoken to him, and which is even more amazing he is my >> > > > > friend. >> > > > > > > > > > Allan >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:53 PM, fiddler >> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] >> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > When you learn the difference between personal bias and >> > > > > > > > > > > dogma I >> > > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > > > > be quite impressed. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 8:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hahahah you are a funny one Fidds, and you still have >> > > > > > > > > > > > just >> > > > > not >> > > > > > > got it >> > > > > > > > > > > > yet I see. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dogma - >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church. >> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid >> > > > > > > > > > > > down, as >> > > > > by >> > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > > church: the dogma of the Assumption. >> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. prescribed doctrine: political dogma. >> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or >> > > > > > > > > > > > principle. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Your insistance that those of religious faith are, not >> > > > > > > intelectual, >> > > > > > > > > > > > peddle nonsense, and are liars is certianly evidance of >> > > > > number 4 >> > > > > > > on >> > > > > > > > > > > > the list above. So indeed yes I agree we should all >> > > > > > > > > > > > learn >> > > > > what >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > words we use mean. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > As to labeling people my friend you have not ceased >> > > > > > > > > > > > doing >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > from >> > > > > > > > > > > > the moment you joined us. Umm pot - kettle me thinks. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another angry man who can dish it yet cannot take >> > > > > > > > > > > > it. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Feb, 16:20, fiddler <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really overestimated your intelligence... >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen fundie: quit telling me what I think, promote, >> > > > > desire, >> > > > > > > or >> > > > > > > > > mean. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you people like reading volumes into >> > > > > > > > > > > > > sentences, but >> > > > > it >> > > > > > > never >> > > > > > > > > > > > > looks well on you. Learn what simple concepts like >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dogma >> > > > > > > actually >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mean, your priest and those fundie websites lie to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > you. >> > > > > Just >> > > > > > > > > because >> > > > > > > > > > > > > you feel the need to label people with your own >> > > > > > > > > > > > > handicaps >> > > > > does >> > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > > > > > make it so, it just insures you won't understand >> > > > > > > > > > > > > what other >> > > > > > > people >> > > > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > > > > talking about. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 7:01 am, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > [email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > “…I'm against children having their minds polluted >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by >> > > > > > > mysticism, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense, and lies perpetrated by politicians and >> > > > > priests.” – >> > > > > > > fid >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you must be for removing children from their >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > parents >> > > > > at >> > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > very >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > young age and raising them in ‘free thinking’ >> > > > > enclaves…thus >> > > > > > > > > > > protecting >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them from all of what your dogma defines as >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘nonsense’. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 8:50 pm, fiddler >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gatherings for sports, special subject >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, >> > > > > > > social >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interaction, etc, are always with other >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like-minded >> > > > > > > families. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus removing that messy and uncomfortable >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situation in >> > > > > > > which >> > > > > > > > > one >> > > > > > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around those not of a like mind? This breeds >> > > > > intolerance >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > sad >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjugation to dogmas and narrow minded >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldviews. Not >> > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > I'm >> > > > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the public, factory worker, indoctrination >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system; only >> > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > I'm >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against children having their minds polluted by >> > > > > mysticism, >> > > > > > > > > > > nonsense, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lies perpetrated by >> >> ... >> >> read more » > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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