I understand, I just want other people to recognise that some here are allowed to do anything and say anything while others are threatened repeatedly for the same. That is why I used the same words rather than subtlety.
On Feb 6, 11:59 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Dude. It's not hate but it IS disrespectful in the extreme. If you > can't be subtle about it cut it out. Ignore insults and attack the > idea. Use words like "in my opinion" or "seems ridiculous to me." > This tells us how you feel about someone's ideas in a less > confrontational way. I understand what you are talking about but if > you continue to act injured without altering or even trying to alter > your tone you'll just get tossed out. You have value here and it > shouldn't be that difficult to remain civil. It's a sign of maturity > to be able to ignore insults whether they are real or just perceived. > If you get in a tit for tat you will lose because you're the new guy. > It doesn't have to be fair it's just the way things are. > > dj > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:55 PM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > gonna keep deleting my responses? You are a hateful, hate-filled > > person that doesn't know what you are talking about. Is that better > > and less ad hom? > > > On Feb 6, 10:38 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The guidelines keep us making statements about peoples concepts and > >> ideas as they have made them specifically, not our general > >> interpretation of them. For example, if I took your statement: > >> "Empathy is always difficult and often unnecessary when the person > >> need > >> only quit reacting emotionally to everything and think honestly about > >> themselves." > > >> and said, "are you too stupid to feel empathy?" it would be an ad hom > > >> but if I said, empathy requires us to feel emotion, and if you are > >> choosing not to feel emotion, you may be choosing not to be > >> empathetic." it would be a challenge to your statement. > > >> if I said, "your stupid statement about empathy just goes to show that > >> you have no feeling" guess what? ad hom > > >> are you getting the idea? personal attacks that demean the person are > >> not allowed. You cannot get around this by attacking the moderators. > > >> On Feb 6, 12:19 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > No question about the ad hom there, fid. Personal attacks are not > >> > tolerated here, and you tell folks here you have been told this > >> > several times, so I would ask your own question of you, why do you > >> > continue? I will let Allan answer for himself, but I believe he is > >> > addressing the fact that you make oppositional statements about people > >> > rather than their ideas, and this can be construed as hate. It is > >> > also not allowed within the guidelines. Your comments about the > >> > quality of moderation, are again, ad hom, and not tolerated. I've > >> > watched about every group member here try to reach an understanding > >> > with you on this, and still you make statements like "are you really > >> > this stupid" knowing it is ad hom. Are you purposefully disregarding > >> > the guidelines or don't you understand them? > > >> > On Feb 6, 12:03 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > Are you really this stupid or are you just playing it for a crowd? I > >> > > don't hate you, believers, or anything. Quit projecting, even if you > >> > > do have a mod for a fan. > > >> > > On Feb 6, 2:30 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Fid the point is is people see thing differently than you do. You > >> > > > give > >> > > > medical diagnosis when some of north America's leading psychiatrist > >> > > > give no > >> > > > diagnosis what so ever. No it was not in their offices but rather out > >> > > > sailing one cruises lasting several days. Regardless of your > >> > > > personal > >> > > > hatred of beliefs of others, these incidents though rare and not > >> > > > uncommon > >> > > > and provide insite into beliefs systems. > >> > > > You do not learn by closing your mind with hatred because someone > >> > > > see things > >> > > > differently an example of your style to rebuttal has occurred > >> > > > several times > >> > > > before one of which was the time the called the world flat. You fid > >> > > > are one > >> > > > of the people calling the world flat? > >> > > > Allan > > >> > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:35 PM, fiddler <[email protected]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > I don't care about slamming you, although it wouldn't be difficult > >> > > > > if > >> > > > > I wanted to. I simply use the information that you provided. You > >> > > > > admit > >> > > > > delusions both auditory and visual: schizophrenia. You enjoy them > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > have elevated them to divine: reluctance to medicate. Yes, that is > >> > > > > an > >> > > > > old adage. > > >> > > > > On Feb 4, 11:02 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > Interesting Fid, > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, fiddler > >> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > You see what you choose to see. If you knew how little emotion > >> > > > > > > I have > >> > > > > > > invested in random strangers in online chat groups... I have > >> > > > > > > even less > >> > > > > > > invested in unmedicated schizophrenics. > > >> > > > > > So your argument is that if you can not slam them you call the > >> > > > > > person an > >> > > > > > unmedicated schizophrenic that is very kind of you to give me > >> > > > > > your > >> > > > > medical > >> > > > > > diagnosis.. I think I will stick with my friends that are > >> > > > > > actually > >> > > > > doctors > >> > > > > > and psychiatrist. I am not a doctor and can not give a diagnosis > >> > > > > > but > >> > > > > there > >> > > > > > is an old adage what we see in others is exactly what we see in > >> > > > > > our > >> > > > > selves. > >> > > > > > Allan > > >> > > > > > On Feb 3, 11:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > I understand Orn when I read what fid is writing I do not see > >> > > > > > > an > >> > > > > exchange > >> > > > > > > of ideas but what appears to be a foaming hate filled being. > >> > > > > > > If he is > >> > > > > > going > >> > > > > > > to university with an attitude like that it would be a wonder > >> > > > > > > if he > >> > > > > could > >> > > > > > > get through even a single class. > >> > > > > > > Allan > > >> > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ornamentalmind < > >> > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > Truth be told...I cut fid a lot of slack. He's going to > >> > > > > > > > > university, > >> > > > > > > > > studying a lot of stuff, interacting on numerous online > >> > > > > > > > > groups....I > >> > > > > > > > > know that more than once I hurried through posts missing > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > intent. > >> > > > > > > > > Oh, and I also remember when I knew a lot of stuff and > >> > > > > > > > > knew others > >> > > > > > > > > didnt...and attempted to put interaction and discussion > >> > > > > > > > > into a > >> > > > > > > > > box...with tenets and rules and all of that...which I'd > >> > > > > > > > > attempt to > >> > > > > > > > > impose on everyone else. Doing such things surely make the > >> > > > > > > > > universe > >> > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > more 'friendly', if not understood, place. > > >> > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 2:12 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > Fid you are dealing with a bunch of old people here who > >> > > > > > > > > > ahve been > >> > > > > > > around > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > bush a time or two. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Since you like simple sentences I will give you one to > >> > > > > > > > > > ponder. > > >> > > > > > > > > > I know God is real because I have meet and seen him. He > >> > > > > > > > > > has > >> > > > > spoken to > >> > > > > > > me. > >> > > > > > > > > I > >> > > > > > > > > > have spoken to him, and which is even more amazing he is > >> > > > > > > > > > my > >> > > > > friend. > >> > > > > > > > > > Allan > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:53 PM, fiddler > >> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > When you learn the difference between personal bias > >> > > > > > > > > > > and dogma I > >> > > > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > > > > be quite impressed. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 8:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hahahah you are a funny one Fidds, and you still > >> > > > > > > > > > > > have just > >> > > > > not > >> > > > > > > got it > >> > > > > > > > > > > > yet I see. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dogma - > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid > >> > > > > > > > > > > > down, as > >> > > > > by > >> > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > church: the dogma of the Assumption. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. prescribed doctrine: political dogma. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or > >> > > > > > > > > > > > principle. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Your insistance that those of religious faith are, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > intelectual, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > peddle nonsense, and are liars is certianly evidance > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > number 4 > >> > > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the list above. So indeed yes I agree we should all > >> > > > > > > > > > > > learn > >> > > > > what > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > words we use mean. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As to labeling people my friend you have not ceased > >> > > > > > > > > > > > doing > >> > > > > that > >> > > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the moment you joined us. Umm pot - kettle me > >> > > > > > > > > > > > thinks. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another angry man who can dish it yet cannot > >> > > > > > > > > > > > take it. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Feb, 16:20, fiddler <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I really overestimated your intelligence... > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen fundie: quit telling me what I think, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > promote, > >> > > > > desire, > >> > > > > > > or > >> > > > > > > > > mean. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you people like reading volumes into > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > sentences, but > >> > > > > it > >> > > > > > > never > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > looks well on you. Learn what simple concepts like > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dogma > >> > > > > > > actually > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mean, your priest and those fundie websites lie to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > you. > >> > > > > Just > >> > > > > > > > > because > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > you feel the need to label people with your own > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > handicaps > >> > > > > does > >> > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > make it so, it just insures you won't understand > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > what other > >> > > > > > > people > >> > > > > > > > > are > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > talking about. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 7:01 am, ornamentalmind < > >> > > > > [email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > “…I'm against children having > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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