"I was with you up to here dark. Again, the 'ought' in this comment appears to be provincial and without merit."-ornamentalmind
Provincial, could, perhaps, be somewhat accurate as I am a recovering Roman Catholic and a working slob! However, the merit is in the obvious social divsions and differences that arise from putting such things on display. On Feb 23, 5:30 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > "...Every one, > including hetrosexuals, ought to keep thier sexual acts in the > bedroom > and out of the publics eye. If you are concerned about social > cohesion > consider this and examine yourself." - DARKWATER > > I was with you up to here dark. Again, the 'ought' in this comment > appears to be provincial and without merit. > > On Feb 23, 9:18 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I tend to agree with vam rather deeply on this. While it is true that > > homosexuallity is natural and found in virtualy all species these acts > > are rather base. In other species (as well as our own) these acts are > > to establish dominance. As a youth I had done my share of > > experimentation in sexuallity. However, as an adult I know, as a means > > of pleasure, that it doesn't matter if it's a woman, a sheep, a man or > > a rolled up piece of liver slightly warmed in the microwave! If I > > close my eyes it all feels the same! Preference is irrelevant except > > for the order of the afforementioned. All sexual acts are base and > > primal just like the supposed need to kill, procreate or eat your own > > children to survive. We can do much better and we ought examine > > ourselves rather than criticize others. Whether hetro or homosexual > > acts, such things have nothing to do with social cohesion. Every one, > > including hetrosexuals, ought to keep thier sexual acts in the bedroom > > and out of the publics eye. If you are concerned about social cohesion > > consider this and examine yourself. > > > On Feb 23, 11:07 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Vam I couldn't say for sure what I may or may not do under difficult > > > circumstances. People have been known to eat each other to survive > > > though. > > > > I'm not sure that I agree with you about our primal natures and our > > > intelectual civilising either. > > > let me explian. > > > > There are many facets to me, as there are all humans, one such is my > > > belief about social cohesion. > > > > Man IS a social animal and it bodes us well to work together, yet > > > increasingly we do not. Instead we wage war and indulge in violence > > > for seemingly petty reasons. We have in our quest for civilisation > > > lost our social cohesion, mark one up for primal thought perhaps? > > > > Hetrosexual sex for pleasure, or masterbation for pleasure, do you > > > view this as unsavoury or unatural? > > > > Homosexuality is perfectly natural and in fact Homosexuals have no > > > choice in the matter. If you disagree with this statement, try this > > > experiment. Try to get sexual aroused by members of the same gender > > > as yourself. > > > > I understand that some people do not like the idea, I do not > > > understand why, which means I can find no logical reason to dislike > > > the idea. Care to give me one? (pun intended). > > > > On 23 Feb, 15:05, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Lee, survival is in our nature. So, would you eat up your kid ? Many > > > > animals do. > > > > > All this is limiting ourselves to basics, and negating the civilising > > > > evolution that has since taken place, in which process, we must admit, > > > > religion has played a huge role. ( Animal ) Nature is no guide to > > > > values we need to nurture today. And, being natural, is no mantra > > > > enough ! > > > > > We can do much better. So, it is with homosexuality. It is that part > > > > of our nature we may indulge in as juveniles, but need to grow up and > > > > transcend. I'd understand if one doesn't or is incapable of. But the > > > > justification of it has no place. I'd empathise, without deeming it as > > > > acceptable, from my sense of values. > > > > > And no, my reasoning has nothing to do with procreation. In fact, we > > > > are better off not procreating for an entire generation ! > > > > > On Feb 23, 2:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point out there are > > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring within other species. > > > > > > Also what do you mean by Mother Nature? There really is no single > > > > > force that can be given that name, is there? > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:18, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Lee! > > > > > > I agree with you that if it occurs it is natural; but at the same > > > > > > time > > > > > > that is not what mother nature intended it to be, because as I said, > > > > > > Mother Nature is there for the propagation of the species, anything > > > > > > other than that > > > > > > would be against Mother Nature will. > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Unnatural? How so? > > > > > > > > I mean if it occours, then it is natural yes? > > > > > > > > On 20 Feb, 00:30, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If they are really happy with their relationship: Does it > > > > > > > > matter if > > > > > > > > they get married or not? > > > > > > > > For me if there is a god, this God would not and perhaps could > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > take part in their unnatural relationship as God and Mother > > > > > > > > Nature > > > > > > > > could be the same thing. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:12 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine prayed for true love in the form of a blonde > > > > > > > > > haired > > > > > > > > > and beautiful woman 5 years younger than himself. He is now > > > > > > > > > 10 years > > > > > > > > > into a spectacular relationship with a dark-haired man 10 > > > > > > > > > years older > > > > > > > > > than himself. The two love each other very much and I rejoice > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > them, they truly deserve the happiness that they have have > > > > > > > > > found and > > > > > > > > > build upon. Sadly, each claims that god answered some prayer > > > > > > > > > in their > > > > > > > > > past and dismiss the idea that they had prayed for something > > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > More sadly, anti-human rights churches (which are most > > > > > > > > > churches) > > > > > > > > > refuse to allow them to be formally married. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 1:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat! Since you have personally experienced this > > > > > > > > > > spiritual event, > > > > > > > > > > which you think that people would not believe you or > > > > > > > > > > understand you, > > > > > > > > > > don't worry I understand you because I have had one of those > > > > > > > > > > experiences myself. > > > > > > > > > > Now because of this spiritual experience and the reasons > > > > > > > > > > why I had it, > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to write a book and my own personal theory why > > > > > > > > > > this has > > > > > > > > > > happened to me. In order to explain my experience more > > > > > > > > > > clearly, I am > > > > > > > > > > going to paste here a small part of my writings. Let me > > > > > > > > > > know what you > > > > > > > > > > think, you you have the time? > > > > > > > > > > > Angels say > > > > > > > > > > > You ought to pray to Our Father Most High, > > > > > > > > > > God's heavenly angels would tell us from the sky, > > > > > > > > > > Pray and tell Father what would be your heart desires? > > > > > > > > > > So Father could decide what would be your supply. > > > > > > > > > > > So, I've prayed to Our Father God Most High, > > > > > > > > > > Father of the entire world that guides the universe, > > > > > > > > > > Let there be an angel from the realm of glory, > > > > > > > > > > That would guide me to tell your eternal glory. > > > > > > > > > > > AND THEN ONE DAY! > > > > > > > > > > And then one day I had a real surprise, because my prayer > > > > > > > > > > above was > > > > > > > > > > really answered: > > > > > > > > > > Incredible as it may seem this event really took place and > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > surprised me, because while I was going to the local shops > > > > > > > > > > one very > > > > > > > > > > late afternoon just before sunset, I saw three persons that > > > > > > > > > > I had > > > > > > > > > > never seen before on the footpath which I was walking on, > > > > > > > > > > they were > > > > > > > > > > fully dressed in simple tidy everyday clothes even though > > > > > > > > > > it was > > > > > > > > > > summer, and in summer most men here ware shorts, while > > > > > > > > > > women ware > > > > > > > > > > flimsy clothes to keep cool. Looking back at this event it > > > > > > > > > > seems to me > > > > > > > > > > that these three persons were waiting for me to pass near > > > > > > > > > > them; and as > > > > > > > > > > I was approaching them two of them a man and a woman > > > > > > > > > > started walking > > > > > > > > > > towards me leaving the other man alone, so that I had to > > > > > > > > > > walk between > > > > > > > > > > them to keep going to this shop, they had to be from > > > > > > > > > > heaven, because > > > > > > > > > > what the man left alone on my left said to me no human > > > > > > > > > > being on earth > > > > > > > > > > could ever have known at that time. > > > > > > > > > > GREETINGS TO THE AUTHOR OF RECONCILIATION OF THE UNIVERSE! > > > > > > > > > > One of these angels said to me with a courteous jest. > > > > > > > > > > But I was terrified from this sudden happening and moved > > > > > > > > > > away from > > > > > > > > > > them in fear. > > > > > > > > > > About this supernatural happening I will describe to you > > > > > > > > > > later on, in > > > > > > > > > > a more detailed way, in a special place within these > > > > > > > > > > writings, where > > > > > > > > > > it would be easier to understand why this happened to me, > > > > > > > > > > since in > > > > > > > > > > that position it will make more sense to the readers. For > > > > > > > > > > now I want > > > > > > > > > > only to say that this apparition is what really pushes me > > > > > > > > > > to continue > > > > > > > > > > to write these religious writings, since this is for me the > > > > > > > > > > proof of > > > > > > > > > > the existence of a higher intelligence in the whole > > > > > > > > > > universe and the > > > > > > > > > > proof that we are not alone. > > > > > > > > > > My writings in progress can be found at this link below: > > > > > > > > > > >http://sites.google.com/site/prayersofreconciliation/ > > > > > > > > > > I hope my link works, and you can find my writings of > > > > > > > > > > Prayers for > > > > > > > > > > Reconciliation at the bottom of the page. > > > > > > > > > > My regards > > > > > > > > > > Manfraco. > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 4:05 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Feb, 16:00, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is not separate from the body , rather it > > > > > > > > > > > > is the body > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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