“…the merit is in the obvious social divsions and differences that arise from putting such things on display.” – darkwater
Dark, IF this were in fact a merit other than on the most superficial level, there would be no social change at all. About every change in society, whether for good or ill, was begun by people doing/saying/ thinking things that ‘go against the grain’. Personally, I do note the meme laden world of appearances we live in and at the same time neither believe it to be permanent nor real in any serious sense. May your recovery continue to blossom! On Feb 24, 6:13 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > "I was with you up to here dark. Again, the 'ought' in this comment > appears to be provincial and without merit."-ornamentalmind > > Provincial, could, perhaps, be somewhat accurate as I am a recovering > Roman Catholic and a working slob! However, the merit is in the > obvious social divsions and differences that arise from putting such > things on display. > > On Feb 23, 5:30 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "...Every one, > > including hetrosexuals, ought to keep thier sexual acts in the > > bedroom > > and out of the publics eye. If you are concerned about social > > cohesion > > consider this and examine yourself." - DARKWATER > > > I was with you up to here dark. Again, the 'ought' in this comment > > appears to be provincial and without merit. > > > On Feb 23, 9:18 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I tend to agree with vam rather deeply on this. While it is true that > > > homosexuallity is natural and found in virtualy all species these acts > > > are rather base. In other species (as well as our own) these acts are > > > to establish dominance. As a youth I had done my share of > > > experimentation in sexuallity. However, as an adult I know, as a means > > > of pleasure, that it doesn't matter if it's a woman, a sheep, a man or > > > a rolled up piece of liver slightly warmed in the microwave! If I > > > close my eyes it all feels the same! Preference is irrelevant except > > > for the order of the afforementioned. All sexual acts are base and > > > primal just like the supposed need to kill, procreate or eat your own > > > children to survive. We can do much better and we ought examine > > > ourselves rather than criticize others. Whether hetro or homosexual > > > acts, such things have nothing to do with social cohesion. Every one, > > > including hetrosexuals, ought to keep thier sexual acts in the bedroom > > > and out of the publics eye. If you are concerned about social cohesion > > > consider this and examine yourself. > > > > On Feb 23, 11:07 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Vam I couldn't say for sure what I may or may not do under difficult > > > > circumstances. People have been known to eat each other to survive > > > > though. > > > > > I'm not sure that I agree with you about our primal natures and our > > > > intelectual civilising either. > > > > let me explian. > > > > > There are many facets to me, as there are all humans, one such is my > > > > belief about social cohesion. > > > > > Man IS a social animal and it bodes us well to work together, yet > > > > increasingly we do not. Instead we wage war and indulge in violence > > > > for seemingly petty reasons. We have in our quest for civilisation > > > > lost our social cohesion, mark one up for primal thought perhaps? > > > > > Hetrosexual sex for pleasure, or masterbation for pleasure, do you > > > > view this as unsavoury or unatural? > > > > > Homosexuality is perfectly natural and in fact Homosexuals have no > > > > choice in the matter. If you disagree with this statement, try this > > > > experiment. Try to get sexual aroused by members of the same gender > > > > as yourself. > > > > > I understand that some people do not like the idea, I do not > > > > understand why, which means I can find no logical reason to dislike > > > > the idea. Care to give me one? (pun intended). > > > > > On 23 Feb, 15:05, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Lee, survival is in our nature. So, would you eat up your kid ? Many > > > > > animals do. > > > > > > All this is limiting ourselves to basics, and negating the civilising > > > > > evolution that has since taken place, in which process, we must admit, > > > > > religion has played a huge role. ( Animal ) Nature is no guide to > > > > > values we need to nurture today. And, being natural, is no mantra > > > > > enough ! > > > > > > We can do much better. So, it is with homosexuality. It is that part > > > > > of our nature we may indulge in as juveniles, but need to grow up and > > > > > transcend. I'd understand if one doesn't or is incapable of. But the > > > > > justification of it has no place. I'd empathise, without deeming it as > > > > > acceptable, from my sense of values. > > > > > > And no, my reasoning has nothing to do with procreation. In fact, we > > > > > are better off not procreating for an entire generation ! > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point out there are > > > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring within other species. > > > > > > > Also what do you mean by Mother Nature? There really is no single > > > > > > force that can be given that name, is there? > > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:18, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Lee! > > > > > > > I agree with you that if it occurs it is natural; but at the same > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > that is not what mother nature intended it to be, because as I > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > Mother Nature is there for the propagation of the species, > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > other than that > > > > > > > would be against Mother Nature will. > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Unnatural? How so? > > > > > > > > > I mean if it occours, then it is natural yes? > > > > > > > > > On 20 Feb, 00:30, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If they are really happy with their relationship: Does it > > > > > > > > > matter if > > > > > > > > > they get married or not? > > > > > > > > > For me if there is a god, this God would not and perhaps > > > > > > > > > could not > > > > > > > > > take part in their unnatural relationship as God and Mother > > > > > > > > > Nature > > > > > > > > > could be the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:12 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine prayed for true love in the form of a > > > > > > > > > > blonde haired > > > > > > > > > > and beautiful woman 5 years younger than himself. He is now > > > > > > > > > > 10 years > > > > > > > > > > into a spectacular relationship with a dark-haired man 10 > > > > > > > > > > years older > > > > > > > > > > than himself. The two love each other very much and I > > > > > > > > > > rejoice for > > > > > > > > > > them, they truly deserve the happiness that they have have > > > > > > > > > > found and > > > > > > > > > > build upon. Sadly, each claims that god answered some > > > > > > > > > > prayer in their > > > > > > > > > > past and dismiss the idea that they had prayed for > > > > > > > > > > something else. > > > > > > > > > > More sadly, anti-human rights churches (which are most > > > > > > > > > > churches) > > > > > > > > > > refuse to allow them to be formally married. > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 1:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat! Since you have personally experienced this > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual event, > > > > > > > > > > > which you think that people would not believe you or > > > > > > > > > > > understand you, > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry I understand you because I have had one of > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > experiences myself. > > > > > > > > > > > Now because of this spiritual experience and the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > why I had it, > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to write a book and my own personal theory > > > > > > > > > > > why this has > > > > > > > > > > > happened to me. In order to explain my experience more > > > > > > > > > > > clearly, I am > > > > > > > > > > > going to paste here a small part of my writings. Let me > > > > > > > > > > > know what you > > > > > > > > > > > think, you you have the time? > > > > > > > > > > > > Angels say > > > > > > > > > > > > You ought to pray to Our Father Most High, > > > > > > > > > > > God's heavenly angels would tell us from the sky, > > > > > > > > > > > Pray and tell Father what would be your heart desires? > > > > > > > > > > > So Father could decide what would be your supply. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I've prayed to Our Father God Most High, > > > > > > > > > > > Father of the entire world that guides the universe, > > > > > > > > > > > Let there be an angel from the realm of glory, > > > > > > > > > > > That would guide me to tell your eternal glory. > > > > > > > > > > > > AND THEN ONE DAY! > > > > > > > > > > > And then one day I had a real surprise, because my prayer > > > > > > > > > > > above was > > > > > > > > > > > really answered: > > > > > > > > > > > Incredible as it may seem this event really took place > > > > > > > > > > > and even > > > > > > > > > > > surprised me, because while I was going to the local > > > > > > > > > > > shops one very > > > > > > > > > > > late afternoon just before sunset, I saw three persons > > > > > > > > > > > that I had > > > > > > > > > > > never seen before on the footpath which I was walking on, > > > > > > > > > > > they were > > > > > > > > > > > fully dressed in simple tidy everyday clothes even though > > > > > > > > > > > it was > > > > > > > > > > > summer, and in summer most men here ware shorts, while > > > > > > > > > > > women ware > > > > > > > > > > > flimsy clothes to keep cool. Looking back at this event > > > > > > > > > > > it seems to me > > > > > > > > > > > that these three persons were waiting for me to pass near > > > > > > > > > > > them; and as > > > > > > > > > > > I was approaching them two of them a man and a woman > > > > > > > > > > > started walking > > > > > > > > > > > towards me leaving the other man alone, so that I had to > > > > > > > > > > > walk between > > > > > > > > > > > them to keep going to this shop, they had to be from > > > > > > > > > > > heaven, because > > > > > > > > > > > what the man left alone on my left said to me no human > > > > > > > > > > > being on earth > > > > > > > > > > > could ever have known at that time. > > > > > > > > > > > GREETINGS TO THE AUTHOR OF RECONCILIATION OF THE UNIVERSE! > > > > > > > > > > > One of these angels said to me with a courteous jest. > > > > > > > > > > > But I was terrified from this sudden happening and moved > > > > > > > > > > > away from > > > > > > > > > > > them in fear. > > > > > > > > > > > About this supernatural happening I will describe to you > > > > > > > > > > > later on, in > > > > > > > > > > > a more detailed way, in a special place within these > > > > > > > > > > > writings, where > > > > > > > > > > > it would be easier to understand why this happened to me, > > > > > > > > > > > since in > > > > > > > > > > > that position it will make more sense to the readers. For > > > > > > > > > > > now I want > > > > > > > > > > > only to say that this apparition is what really pushes me > > > > > > > > > > > to continue > > > > > > > > > > > to write these religious writings, since this is for me > > > > > > > > > > > the proof of > > > > > > > > > > > the existence of > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
