Ya mon frac, consciousness and the consciousness of dreams, much better. It looks as though Mr. Parker has left for the duration of the thread. Maybe he got a bit homo phobic, :-)
On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > Lee, it seems to me that we agree in general terms about > homosexuality, except that we have a different opinion about it, you > seem to welcome homosexuality with open arms, whereas I accept it just > because it cannot be avoided. > Anyhow this tread was not exactly started to talk about homosexuality, > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like to go > back to talk about consciousness, which could be very interesting for > me, as I am interested in personal consciousness of dreams, the cosmos > the afterlife and religions, which are all part of our body > consciousness. > > On Feb 26, 10:02 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well I really didn't say that at all Frank, I merely asked you to > > consider it a possibily in light of your assurtion that mother nature > > must do all she can for the survival of the species, and anything that > > runs counter to that cannot be 'natural' > > > I gave you an example where not breeding was the best thing for the > > survival of the species, and if mother nature governs the nature of > > man, then homosexuality via a process of Darwinian evolution must (in > > the context of this example) be considerd as an evolutionary plus, > > thus my 'more evolved' question. > > > I do notice BTW that you did not answer my question re: hetrosexual > > sex and masterbation for pleasure, would you also see these as > > 'unnatural'? > > > On 24 Feb, 21:17, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > OK Lee I see your point there, but to say that the homosexuals are > > > more evolved that the rest of us is an exaggeration, for me it is only > > > a way for Mother Nature to adjust the imbalance which herself/itself > > > created, which gives us all that extra drive about sex, when to > > > propagate ourselves half as much could have been plenty. > > > > On Feb 24, 9:29 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Then dwell on this one sir. > > > > > If it is true that the earth is going to double its population in the > > > > next 20-30 years, then for the survival of the species it may be > > > > better not to propogate our species. Ummm perhaps we should all > > > > endulge in only homosexual sex for the survial of the species. > > > > Perhaps those that already do so is Mother Natures way of giving us > > > > all a clue, and these people are in fact more 'evolved' than the rest > > > > of us? > > > > > On 23 Feb, 21:14, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I have to follow my own beliefs here, for me God and Mother Nature > > > > > could be one and the same thing. > > > > > Mather Nature as I see it; it is only a name that we give to the best > > > > > side of the natural things, which to work at their best should follow > > > > > a certain order, obviously the best order for Mother Nature is the > > > > > survival and propagation of the species, it cannot be anything else, > > > > > thus anything that does not help to accomplish that is not Mother > > > > > Nature will. > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point out there are > > > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring within other species. > > > > > > > Also what do you mean by Mother Nature? There really is no single > > > > > > force that can be given that name, is there? > > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:18, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Lee! > > > > > > > I agree with you that if it occurs it is natural; but at the same > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > that is not what mother nature intended it to be, because as I > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > Mother Nature is there for the propagation of the species, > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > other than that > > > > > > > would be against Mother Nature will. > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Unnatural? How so? > > > > > > > > > I mean if it occours, then it is natural yes? > > > > > > > > > On 20 Feb, 00:30, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If they are really happy with their relationship: Does it > > > > > > > > > matter if > > > > > > > > > they get married or not? > > > > > > > > > For me if there is a god, this God would not and perhaps > > > > > > > > > could not > > > > > > > > > take part in their unnatural relationship as God and Mother > > > > > > > > > Nature > > > > > > > > > could be the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:12 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine prayed for true love in the form of a > > > > > > > > > > blonde haired > > > > > > > > > > and beautiful woman 5 years younger than himself. He is now > > > > > > > > > > 10 years > > > > > > > > > > into a spectacular relationship with a dark-haired man 10 > > > > > > > > > > years older > > > > > > > > > > than himself. The two love each other very much and I > > > > > > > > > > rejoice for > > > > > > > > > > them, they truly deserve the happiness that they have have > > > > > > > > > > found and > > > > > > > > > > build upon. Sadly, each claims that god answered some > > > > > > > > > > prayer in their > > > > > > > > > > past and dismiss the idea that they had prayed for > > > > > > > > > > something else. > > > > > > > > > > More sadly, anti-human rights churches (which are most > > > > > > > > > > churches) > > > > > > > > > > refuse to allow them to be formally married. > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 1:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat! Since you have personally experienced this > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual event, > > > > > > > > > > > which you think that people would not believe you or > > > > > > > > > > > understand you, > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry I understand you because I have had one of > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > experiences myself. > > > > > > > > > > > Now because of this spiritual experience and the reasons > > > > > > > > > > > why I had it, > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to write a book and my own personal theory > > > > > > > > > > > why this has > > > > > > > > > > > happened to me. In order to explain my experience more > > > > > > > > > > > clearly, I am > > > > > > > > > > > going to paste here a small part of my writings. Let me > > > > > > > > > > > know what you > > > > > > > > > > > think, you you have the time? > > > > > > > > > > > > Angels say > > > > > > > > > > > > You ought to pray to Our Father Most High, > > > > > > > > > > > God's heavenly angels would tell us from the sky, > > > > > > > > > > > Pray and tell Father what would be your heart desires? > > > > > > > > > > > So Father could decide what would be your supply. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I've prayed to Our Father God Most High, > > > > > > > > > > > Father of the entire world that guides the universe, > > > > > > > > > > > Let there be an angel from the realm of glory, > > > > > > > > > > > That would guide me to tell your eternal glory. > > > > > > > > > > > > AND THEN ONE DAY! > > > > > > > > > > > And then one day I had a real surprise, because my prayer > > > > > > > > > > > above was > > > > > > > > > > > really answered: > > > > > > > > > > > Incredible as it may seem this event really took place > > > > > > > > > > > and even > > > > > > > > > > > surprised me, because while I was going to the local > > > > > > > > > > > shops one very > > > > > > > > > > > late afternoon just before sunset, I saw three persons > > > > > > > > > > > that I had > > > > > > > > > > > never seen before on the footpath which I was walking on, > > > > > > > > > > > they were > > > > > > > > > > > fully dressed in simple tidy everyday clothes even though > > > > > > > > > > > it was > > > > > > > > > > > summer, and in summer most men here ware shorts, while > > > > > > > > > > > women ware > > > > > > > > > > > flimsy clothes to keep cool. Looking back at this event > > > > > > > > > > > it seems to me > > > > > > > > > > > that these three persons were waiting for me to pass near > > > > > > > > > > > them; and as > > > > > > > > > > > I was approaching them two of them a man and a woman > > > > > > > > > > > started walking > > > > > > > > > > > towards me leaving the other man alone, so that I had to > > > > > > > > > > > walk between > > > > > > > > > > > them to keep going to this shop, they had to be from > > > > > > > > > > > heaven, because > > > > > > > > > > > what the man left alone on my left said to me no human > > > > > > > > > > > being on earth > > > > > > > > > > > could ever have known at that time. > > > > > > > > > > > GREETINGS TO THE AUTHOR OF RECONCILIATION OF THE UNIVERSE! > > > > > > > > > > > One of these angels said to me with a courteous jest. > > > > > > > > > > > But I was terrified from this sudden happening and moved > > > > > > > > > > > away from > > > > > > > > > > > them in fear. > > > > > > > > > > > About this supernatural happening I will describe to you > > > > > > > > > > > later on, in > > > > > > > > > > > a more detailed way, in a special place within these > > > > > > > > > > > writings, where > > > > > > > > > > > it would be easier to understand why this happened to me, > > > > > > > > > > > since in > > > > > > > > > > > that position it will make more sense to the readers. For > > > > > > > > > > > now I want > > > > > > > > > > > only to say that this apparition is what really pushes me > > > > > > > > > > > to continue > > > > > > > > > > > to write these religious writings, since this is for me > > > > > > > > > > > the proof of > > > > > > > > > > > the existence of a higher intelligence in the whole > > > > > > > > > > > universe and the > > > > > > > > > > > proof that we are not alone. > > > > > > > > > > > My writings in progress can be found at this link below: > > > > > > > > > > > >http://sites.google.com/site/prayersofreconciliation/ > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my link works, and you can find my writings of > > > > > > > > > > > Prayers for > > > > > > > > > > > Reconciliation at the bottom of the page. > > > > > > > > > > > My regards > > > > > > > > > > > Manfraco. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 4:05 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Feb, 16:00, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is not separate from the body , rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the body > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is conscious , unconscious and dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to think that what we see as conscious activity > > > > > > > > > > > > in the body (as > > > > > > > > > > > > shown in EEGs or FMRIs) is the spatio-temporal > > > > > > > > > > > > interface to our true > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness, which is outside of space-time and, > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore, > > > > > > > > > > > > eternal. And yes, I know I can't prove that, but I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > equally aware > > > > > > > > > > > > that no one can disprove it either. At least not yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Only after our > > > > > > > > > > > > deaths will each of us become fully aware of the > > > > > > > > > > > > (complete details of > > > > > > > > > > > > the) truth, > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
