Well I really didn't say that at all Frank, I merely asked you to consider it a possibily in light of your assurtion that mother nature must do all she can for the survival of the species, and anything that runs counter to that cannot be 'natural'
I gave you an example where not breeding was the best thing for the survival of the species, and if mother nature governs the nature of man, then homosexuality via a process of Darwinian evolution must (in the context of this example) be considerd as an evolutionary plus, thus my 'more evolved' question. I do notice BTW that you did not answer my question re: hetrosexual sex and masterbation for pleasure, would you also see these as 'unnatural'? On 24 Feb, 21:17, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > OK Lee I see your point there, but to say that the homosexuals are > more evolved that the rest of us is an exaggeration, for me it is only > a way for Mother Nature to adjust the imbalance which herself/itself > created, which gives us all that extra drive about sex, when to > propagate ourselves half as much could have been plenty. > > On Feb 24, 9:29 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Then dwell on this one sir. > > > If it is true that the earth is going to double its population in the > > next 20-30 years, then for the survival of the species it may be > > better not to propogate our species. Ummm perhaps we should all > > endulge in only homosexual sex for the survial of the species. > > Perhaps those that already do so is Mother Natures way of giving us > > all a clue, and these people are in fact more 'evolved' than the rest > > of us? > > > On 23 Feb, 21:14, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have to follow my own beliefs here, for me God and Mother Nature > > > could be one and the same thing. > > > Mather Nature as I see it; it is only a name that we give to the best > > > side of the natural things, which to work at their best should follow > > > a certain order, obviously the best order for Mother Nature is the > > > survival and propagation of the species, it cannot be anything else, > > > thus anything that does not help to accomplish that is not Mother > > > Nature will. > > > > On Feb 23, 8:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point out there are > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring within other species. > > > > > Also what do you mean by Mother Nature? There really is no single > > > > force that can be given that name, is there? > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:18, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Lee! > > > > > I agree with you that if it occurs it is natural; but at the same time > > > > > that is not what mother nature intended it to be, because as I said, > > > > > Mother Nature is there for the propagation of the species, anything > > > > > other than that > > > > > would be against Mother Nature will. > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Unnatural? How so? > > > > > > > I mean if it occours, then it is natural yes? > > > > > > > On 20 Feb, 00:30, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > If they are really happy with their relationship: Does it matter > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > they get married or not? > > > > > > > For me if there is a god, this God would not and perhaps could not > > > > > > > take part in their unnatural relationship as God and Mother Nature > > > > > > > could be the same thing. > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:12 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine prayed for true love in the form of a blonde > > > > > > > > haired > > > > > > > > and beautiful woman 5 years younger than himself. He is now 10 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > into a spectacular relationship with a dark-haired man 10 years > > > > > > > > older > > > > > > > > than himself. The two love each other very much and I rejoice > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > them, they truly deserve the happiness that they have have > > > > > > > > found and > > > > > > > > build upon. Sadly, each claims that god answered some prayer in > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > past and dismiss the idea that they had prayed for something > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > More sadly, anti-human rights churches (which are most churches) > > > > > > > > refuse to allow them to be formally married. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 1:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat! Since you have personally experienced this spiritual > > > > > > > > > event, > > > > > > > > > which you think that people would not believe you or > > > > > > > > > understand you, > > > > > > > > > don't worry I understand you because I have had one of those > > > > > > > > > experiences myself. > > > > > > > > > Now because of this spiritual experience and the reasons why > > > > > > > > > I had it, > > > > > > > > > I am trying to write a book and my own personal theory why > > > > > > > > > this has > > > > > > > > > happened to me. In order to explain my experience more > > > > > > > > > clearly, I am > > > > > > > > > going to paste here a small part of my writings. Let me know > > > > > > > > > what you > > > > > > > > > think, you you have the time? > > > > > > > > > > Angels say > > > > > > > > > > You ought to pray to Our Father Most High, > > > > > > > > > God's heavenly angels would tell us from the sky, > > > > > > > > > Pray and tell Father what would be your heart desires? > > > > > > > > > So Father could decide what would be your supply. > > > > > > > > > > So, I've prayed to Our Father God Most High, > > > > > > > > > Father of the entire world that guides the universe, > > > > > > > > > Let there be an angel from the realm of glory, > > > > > > > > > That would guide me to tell your eternal glory. > > > > > > > > > > AND THEN ONE DAY! > > > > > > > > > And then one day I had a real surprise, because my prayer > > > > > > > > > above was > > > > > > > > > really answered: > > > > > > > > > Incredible as it may seem this event really took place and > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > surprised me, because while I was going to the local shops > > > > > > > > > one very > > > > > > > > > late afternoon just before sunset, I saw three persons that I > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > never seen before on the footpath which I was walking on, > > > > > > > > > they were > > > > > > > > > fully dressed in simple tidy everyday clothes even though it > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > summer, and in summer most men here ware shorts, while women > > > > > > > > > ware > > > > > > > > > flimsy clothes to keep cool. Looking back at this event it > > > > > > > > > seems to me > > > > > > > > > that these three persons were waiting for me to pass near > > > > > > > > > them; and as > > > > > > > > > I was approaching them two of them a man and a woman started > > > > > > > > > walking > > > > > > > > > towards me leaving the other man alone, so that I had to walk > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > them to keep going to this shop, they had to be from heaven, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > what the man left alone on my left said to me no human being > > > > > > > > > on earth > > > > > > > > > could ever have known at that time. > > > > > > > > > GREETINGS TO THE AUTHOR OF RECONCILIATION OF THE UNIVERSE! > > > > > > > > > One of these angels said to me with a courteous jest. > > > > > > > > > But I was terrified from this sudden happening and moved away > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > them in fear. > > > > > > > > > About this supernatural happening I will describe to you > > > > > > > > > later on, in > > > > > > > > > a more detailed way, in a special place within these > > > > > > > > > writings, where > > > > > > > > > it would be easier to understand why this happened to me, > > > > > > > > > since in > > > > > > > > > that position it will make more sense to the readers. For now > > > > > > > > > I want > > > > > > > > > only to say that this apparition is what really pushes me to > > > > > > > > > continue > > > > > > > > > to write these religious writings, since this is for me the > > > > > > > > > proof of > > > > > > > > > the existence of a higher intelligence in the whole universe > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > proof that we are not alone. > > > > > > > > > My writings in progress can be found at this link below: > > > > > > > > > >http://sites.google.com/site/prayersofreconciliation/ > > > > > > > > > I hope my link works, and you can find my writings of Prayers > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > Reconciliation at the bottom of the page. > > > > > > > > > My regards > > > > > > > > > Manfraco. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 4:05 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Feb, 16:00, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is not separate from the body , rather it > > > > > > > > > > > is the body > > > > > > > > > > > which is conscious , unconscious and dead. > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to think that what we see as conscious activity in > > > > > > > > > > the body (as > > > > > > > > > > shown in EEGs or FMRIs) is the spatio-temporal interface to > > > > > > > > > > our true > > > > > > > > > > consciousness, which is outside of space-time and, > > > > > > > > > > therefore, > > > > > > > > > > eternal. And yes, I know I can't prove that, but I'm > > > > > > > > > > equally aware > > > > > > > > > > that no one can disprove it either. At least not yet. > > > > > > > > > > Only after our > > > > > > > > > > deaths will each of us become fully aware of the (complete > > > > > > > > > > details of > > > > > > > > > > the) truth, if there is an eternal aspect; if there is no > > > > > > > > > > eternal > > > > > > > > > > aspect, then, at death, we have nothing to worry about and > > > > > > > > > > will be in > > > > > > > > > > no less ignorance, for sure. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > I have personal experience of encountering an entity that > > > > > > > > > > was not > > > > > > > > > > physical and that entity impressed thoughts in my mind > > > > > > > > > > (although I > > > > > > > > > > 'heard' nothing) that could not have originated from my own > > > > > > > > > > imagination or knowledge, as it was given in two languages > > > > > > > > > > at once: > > > > > > > > > > one that I did know and one I didn't know but, later, > > > > > > > > > > verified. These > > > > > > > > > > kinds of experiences are very rare and I've certainly only > > > > > > > > > > had the > > > > > > > > > > one. But, believe me, one is enough. Of course, there's > > > > > > > > > > always the > > > > > > > > > > chance that I'll be similarly blessed/plagued again at some > > > > > > > > > > point. > > > > > > > > > > One thing is for sure, though, this entity was conscious > > > > > > > > > > and, whilst > > > > > > > > > > it 'touched' me, I felt no pressure, as one would when > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > physical body touches you; rather, I felt a sensation of > > > > > > > > > > coolness. My > > > > > > > > > > assumption from that is that purely 'spiritual' entities > > > > > > > > > > retain the > > > > > > > > > > coherence of their form by utilising the ambient heat in > > > > > > > > > > their general > > > > > > > > > > vicinity. 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