Not "life after death" being replicated, only the experience that people describe as life after death. A small electrical stimulus can make you feel as if you are floating out of body, or that some powerful being is looking over your shoulder, etc..
On Feb 25, 8:23 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > You would have to provide some evidence of lab replication of life > after death. Many scientific studies don't really prove anything > beyond the ability to demonstrate. Your making broad statements as if > "all" things have reached the point of no longer being scientifically > questionable. Religion and spirituality may be interpreted on > different levels. I don't see that all mysteries have been resolved > in laboratories. > > On Feb 25, 10:07 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think that this is primarily due to technology allowing us to > > measure ideas in new and informative ways. Where emotion was once > > mysterious and "spiritual," we can now induce emotion and study how > > the brain reacts during emotions. Where "life after death" experiences > > were once thought of as some kind of proof for religious "truth", we > > can now replicate the experience in a lab and have removed the > > mystery. > > > Just as "god dunnit" was once the answer to nearly every idea we > > couldn't yet understand, the soul was the answer to any experience or > > idea that wasn't felt to be studyable. Now that we can replicate, turn > > off, study, and demonstrate these emotional and spiritual ideas, and > > can prove that they are brain related rather than some souls evidence, > > religion has less and less domain to claim for it's own. > > > On Feb 25, 7:59 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > “… What has been thousands of years in the making will take thousands > > > of years to undo, if in fact it can ever be undone.” – SD > > > > Actually Slip, I find it interesting that religion asks different > > > questions than does, say, science. Yes, there is some crossover, yet > > > over the years, the very purview of science has changed…expanding and > > > now including areas and notions historically left to other areas of > > > study. Things change, including how we group areas of interest. > > > > On Feb 25, 7:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It will take more than science and atheists to quell thousands of > > > > years of religious belief. Certainly it is unreasonable to think that > > > > on account of scientific revelation people would simply muffle their > > > > voices and discontinue engaging in religious and spiritual practices. > > > > Some Indians are still doing a peyote driven rain dance and other > > > > cultures still believe a Sun Eating Dragon causes a Solar Eclipse. > > > > Scientific explanations don't get these people to just come out of > > > > their house during an eclipse. Creationism has yet to be absolutely > > > > disproved by any theoretical or scientific model. The simple > > > > scientific fact that other universes exist raises the question of > > > > "what exists in them". > > > > I wouldn't view them Duggars as "terrifyingly nasty" people. I think > > > > I'd opt to spend the day at a picnic with the Duggars than to spend > > > > the day in the ghettos of east Los Angeles with the slime bags that > > > > live there. I don't hate people because they believe in something > > > > that I think is nonsense and I think it would be better to try to > > > > convince them of their false ideas than to organize my own 'anti' > > > > group. What has been thousands of years in the making will take > > > > thousands of years to undo, if in fact it can ever be undone. > > > > > On Feb 25, 1:00 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Another note on these freaks that pretend to be intelligent, and the > > > > > duggers... you know... the ones that want to personally breed an > > > > > entire nation of people that cannot accept the natural world. What a > > > > > terrifyingly nasty group of morons... no I didn't forget an "m." > > > > > >http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/the_duggars_visit_the_crea... > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:44 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think Orn was just joking or mocking. Your much too bent on > > > > > > seriousness fidd, ease up and chill out on the laughs. > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 7:08 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > These are scientists in the same manner that my cat is a > > > > > > > doorknob. I > > > > > > > don't know why you want to insult hundreds of thousands of > > > > > > > perfectly > > > > > > > ethical and intelligent scientists by comparing them to these > > > > > > > creationists. > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:01 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should bring the scientists in on this.... > > > > > > > > ;-)http://creationmuseum.org/ > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 10:13 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well my friend, there is no more proof of non existence than > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > for existence. Still contending the source as imaginative > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > melting and human conjuring, I don't discount the mystique of > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > If the origination had remained intact and consistent > > > > > > > > > throughout > > > > > > > > > history and the heinous atrocities never transpired perhaps > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > would be no atheists, or very few. But that religious beliefs > > > > > > > > > ramified throughout time to the point of the current chaos it > > > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > > understandably wise to just step back out of the way and just > > > > > > > > > watch > > > > > > > > > the pandemonium from the safety of the side lines. It can > > > > > > > > > get to be a > > > > > > > > > lonely world out there when the majority of believers > > > > > > > > > ostracize those > > > > > > > > > who don't ascribe. Much of the attraction to religion stems > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > need to socialize and network, to identify with others who > > > > > > > > > find peace > > > > > > > > > and security within the confines of the belief. > > > > > > > > > Gods don't need to write books, humans need to write books > > > > > > > > > and now we > > > > > > > > > need to put together CD's and DVD's. Why would a god that > > > > > > > > > has the > > > > > > > > > capability of creating the entire universe have to speak out > > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > book written by a man or have to become a human through a > > > > > > > > > virgin birth > > > > > > > > > only to be tortured and killed in order to free "humans" from > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > sins, the ones they were born with, whatever they are. For me > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > beliefs are like the superstitions of old gray haired sheep > > > > > > > > > herders in > > > > > > > > > the hills of afghanistan. I drive a car, fly airplanes, > > > > > > > > > have cell > > > > > > > > > phones, televisions, microwave ovens, digital and laser > > > > > > > > > technology, > > > > > > > > > have access to advanced medicines and we've landed a man on > > > > > > > > > the moon, > > > > > > > > > have satellites and space ships with numerous scientific > > > > > > > > > gadgetry on > > > > > > > > > board, so "WHY" would I want to waste my time getting > > > > > > > > > involved with > > > > > > > > > some ancient scriptural ideologies written by ignorant > > > > > > > > > backwards > > > > > > > > > people who shit in a hole in the sand and buried it like a > > > > > > > > > cat? > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 11:34 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Meh! As I say in my first post what interest this one will > > > > > > > > > > have for > > > > > > > > > > the athiest I really don't know. Take it as read my freind > > > > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > > > belive that God exists and so any post relating to 'my > > > > > > > > > > invisible > > > > > > > > > > friend' none existance is counter productive to this > > > > > > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > debate. > > > > > > > > > > > It may happen that in the fullness of time I may well 'do > > > > > > > > > > an Ian'. It > > > > > > > > > > may not, who can see into the future? > > > > > > > > > > > You are right though all of human exeriance and all ideas > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > subjective, however with religoin there really is nothing > > > > > > > > > > else that is > > > > > > > > > > comparible, so it is quite literaly a branch of thought out > > > > > > > > > > there on > > > > > > > > > > it's own. > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 17:25, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee; > > > > > > > > > > > How can a message transcend that of culture when the fact > > > > > > > > > > > is that the > > > > > > > > > > > entire concept of deity existence is a product of culture > > > > > > > > > > > and simply > > > > > > > > > > > exists within the minds of humanity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: The addition of the letter o to the word God gives > > > > > > > > > > > us Good and > > > > > > > > > > > the addition of the letter d to the word Evil gives us > > > > > > > > > > > Devil. Hence > > > > > > > > > > > we have the primary basis of any belief, the obvious > > > > > > > > > > > difference of > > > > > > > > > > > good and evil portrayed by representations of a god and a > > > > > > > > > > > devil and > > > > > > > > > > > perceived to be separate entities in a constant state of > > > > > > > > > > > confrontation > > > > > > > > > > > and entanglement in pursuit of the aligned capitulation > > > > > > > > > > > of all > > > > > > > > > > > humanity to one or the other. This of course has > > > > > > > > > > > resulted in > > > > > > > > > > > humanity's constant state of dichotomous deity beliefs > > > > > > > > > > > which are more > > > > > > > > > > > numerous than existing cultures. > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that any human belief or for that matter any > > > > > > > > > > > human 'Idea' is > > > > > > > > > > > contingent upon mans subjectivity therefore rendering it > > > > > > > > > > > open for > > > > > > > > > > > multiple interpretations, conclusions, dictum and dogmas. > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately > > > > > > > > > > > the only "Void" in the whole scheme of things is the one > > > > > > > > > > > left empty by > > > > > > > > > > > the deities themselves, who only make their presence > > > > > > > > > > > known through the > > > > > > > > > > > imaginations of the human mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ancients sat around open fire pits in the wilderness > > > > > > > > > > > needing to > > > > > > > > > > > find answers to the whys of life, they obviously couldn't > > > > > > > > > > > find any > > > > > > > > > > > tangible answers so understandably they attributed all > > > > > > > > > > > things to a > > > > > > > > > > > deity, one that could create all things, was omniscient, > > > > > > > > > > > omnipresent > > > > > > > > > > > etc etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once man established human thought as being the veritable > > > > > > > > > > > words of a > > > > > > > > > > > deity and also recognized that being a direct recipient > > > > > > > > > > > of messages > > > > > > > > > > > from a deity had its advantages in the form of > > > > > > > > > > > controlling the masses > > > > > > > > > > > of ignorant > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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