Another note on these freaks that pretend to be intelligent, and the duggers... you know... the ones that want to personally breed an entire nation of people that cannot accept the natural world. What a terrifyingly nasty group of morons... no I didn't forget an "m."
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/the_duggars_visit_the_creation.php#comments On Feb 23, 8:44 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > I think Orn was just joking or mocking. Your much too bent on > seriousness fidd, ease up and chill out on the laughs. > > On Feb 23, 7:08 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > These are scientists in the same manner that my cat is a doorknob. I > > don't know why you want to insult hundreds of thousands of perfectly > > ethical and intelligent scientists by comparing them to these > > creationists. > > > On Feb 23, 12:01 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Perhaps we should bring the scientists in on this.... > > > ;-)http://creationmuseum.org/ > > > > On Feb 23, 10:13 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well my friend, there is no more proof of non existence than there is > > > > for existence. Still contending the source as imaginative mind > > > > melting and human conjuring, I don't discount the mystique of life. > > > > If the origination had remained intact and consistent throughout > > > > history and the heinous atrocities never transpired perhaps there > > > > would be no atheists, or very few. But that religious beliefs > > > > ramified throughout time to the point of the current chaos it seems > > > > understandably wise to just step back out of the way and just watch > > > > the pandemonium from the safety of the side lines. It can get to be a > > > > lonely world out there when the majority of believers ostracize those > > > > who don't ascribe. Much of the attraction to religion stems from the > > > > need to socialize and network, to identify with others who find peace > > > > and security within the confines of the belief. > > > > Gods don't need to write books, humans need to write books and now we > > > > need to put together CD's and DVD's. Why would a god that has the > > > > capability of creating the entire universe have to speak out through a > > > > book written by a man or have to become a human through a virgin birth > > > > only to be tortured and killed in order to free "humans" from their > > > > sins, the ones they were born with, whatever they are. For me most > > > > beliefs are like the superstitions of old gray haired sheep herders in > > > > the hills of afghanistan. I drive a car, fly airplanes, have cell > > > > phones, televisions, microwave ovens, digital and laser technology, > > > > have access to advanced medicines and we've landed a man on the moon, > > > > have satellites and space ships with numerous scientific gadgetry on > > > > board, so "WHY" would I want to waste my time getting involved with > > > > some ancient scriptural ideologies written by ignorant backwards > > > > people who shit in a hole in the sand and buried it like a cat? > > > > > On Feb 23, 11:34 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Meh! As I say in my first post what interest this one will have for > > > > > the athiest I really don't know. Take it as read my freind that I > > > > > belive that God exists and so any post relating to 'my invisible > > > > > friend' none existance is counter productive to this particular > > > > > debate. > > > > > > It may happen that in the fullness of time I may well 'do an Ian'. It > > > > > may not, who can see into the future? > > > > > > You are right though all of human exeriance and all ideas are > > > > > subjective, however with religoin there really is nothing else that is > > > > > comparible, so it is quite literaly a branch of thought out there on > > > > > it's own. > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 17:25, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Lee; > > > > > > How can a message transcend that of culture when the fact is that > > > > > > the > > > > > > entire concept of deity existence is a product of culture and simply > > > > > > exists within the minds of humanity. > > > > > > > Note: The addition of the letter o to the word God gives us Good > > > > > > and > > > > > > the addition of the letter d to the word Evil gives us Devil. Hence > > > > > > we have the primary basis of any belief, the obvious difference of > > > > > > good and evil portrayed by representations of a god and a devil and > > > > > > perceived to be separate entities in a constant state of > > > > > > confrontation > > > > > > and entanglement in pursuit of the aligned capitulation of all > > > > > > humanity to one or the other. This of course has resulted in > > > > > > humanity's constant state of dichotomous deity beliefs which are > > > > > > more > > > > > > numerous than existing cultures. > > > > > > > The fact that any human belief or for that matter any human 'Idea' > > > > > > is > > > > > > contingent upon mans subjectivity therefore rendering it open for > > > > > > multiple interpretations, conclusions, dictum and dogmas. > > > > > > Ultimately > > > > > > the only "Void" in the whole scheme of things is the one left empty > > > > > > by > > > > > > the deities themselves, who only make their presence known through > > > > > > the > > > > > > imaginations of the human mind. > > > > > > > The ancients sat around open fire pits in the wilderness needing to > > > > > > find answers to the whys of life, they obviously couldn't find any > > > > > > tangible answers so understandably they attributed all things to a > > > > > > deity, one that could create all things, was omniscient, omnipresent > > > > > > etc etc. > > > > > > > Once man established human thought as being the veritable words of a > > > > > > deity and also recognized that being a direct recipient of messages > > > > > > from a deity had its advantages in the form of controlling the > > > > > > masses > > > > > > of ignorant people, all hell broke loose. As people learned to > > > > > > position themselves as transcendent beings deserving of higher > > > > > > status > > > > > > in the cultural strata, they began to issue the dogma that is still > > > > > > prevalent today. > > > > > > As a convenience these same people used this position to declare > > > > > > other > > > > > > people and other cultures as evil and initiate decrees for the > > > > > > complete annihilation of any and all who would oppose the rule of > > > > > > "GoOD". > > > > > > > The world has become "littered" with religions and littered is a > > > > > > good > > > > > > word because much so that is all they have become. Nothing has > > > > > > changed on account of religion, no deity has descended from the sky > > > > > > as > > > > > > a glowing light or ball of fire, man is still running around in the > > > > > > dark without a clue, people are still taking up the sword in the > > > > > > name > > > > > > of a god that wants to kill those who don't believe. Catholicism > > > > > > has > > > > > > amassed great wealth in the process while catholics suck up to the > > > > > > pope and pedophile priests, Muslims are out to kill thousands, gurus > > > > > > are out in a multitude of different colors dancing and chanting > > > > > > transcendence amidst human squalor and "new" religions are popping > > > > > > up > > > > > > daily, claiming to be the new Truth drug. Its a circus to say the > > > > > > least. > > > > > > > Meanwhile back at the "Reality" ranch, the governments have a > > > > > > lanyard > > > > > > wrapped around our gonads with their own form of religion, that > > > > > > being > > > > > > the patriotic duty of all citizens to forfeit a good portion of > > > > > > their > > > > > > funds to the people that boss them around, the patriotic duty to > > > > > > blindly lay down your life as a pawn in some declared military > > > > > > operation regardless of right or wrong and the duty to bend over and > > > > > > take it without lubrication when they act irresponsibly. God giveth > > > > > > and Gov taketh. > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:51 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey OM. > > > > > > > > I guess we can say by message I mean scripture. What is holy > > > > > > > scripture if not Gods message to humaity, encompassing teachings, > > > > > > > Gods > > > > > > > plans, what God requires of us etc... > > > > > > > > The notion of life including a divine spark is included in this > > > > > > > message, or where else would you have the idea from? I guess I am > > > > > > > also talking about reveled truth, something that I certianly > > > > > > > belive > > > > > > > in. How can a theist not belive in such a thing? If the truth > > > > > > > of God > > > > > > > message is not reveled by God then the assumption is that it is > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > up by the minds of humans. > > > > > > > Anybody could literaly say anything they liked, promote any idea > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > wanted about God and Gods plan, the ultimate authority on what God > > > > > > > wants us to do, must come from God, otherwise, all manor of these > > > > > > > 'truths' sping up, which of course makes it hard to choose wich > > > > > > > one to > > > > > > > belive. In every belife there must be a yardstick by which to > > > > > > > measure > > > > > > > the validity. Reveald truth is one of the ones that I use to > > > > > > > measure > > > > > > > religoin. > > > > > > > > In Sikhi the very first lines of Guru Granth Sahib are: > > > > > > > > 'Ikoncar, sat naam' Which translates literaly into '1 God, true > > > > > > > name' But we know the problem with literal translations, and so I > > > > > > > personaly translate it (wrongly or rightly I know not) as > > > > > > > meaning, '1 > > > > > > > God, whose name is true/truth' > > > > > > > > Delving further the idea is thus: '1 God, who is the only > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > truth' > > > > > > > > This is an example of such a message. > > > > > > > > Yet from just this little line, many ideas are formulated, God is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > only truth must also mean that God is immenent throughout the > > > > > > > creation, and thus your idea of a divine spark in humanity is also > > > > > > > addressed. > > > > > > > > The problem I'm having curently is with dogma, and it's cultural > > > > > > > bounderies. In the east it is rude and impolite to point your > > > > > > > feet > > > > > > > towards somebody. Hence show throwing or hiting somebody or > > > > > > > somebodies effigy with your shoe is an insult, whilst washing > > > > > > > sombodies feet is an act of supreame humility and respect. > > > > > > > > We have an example of this in the Bilbe, with the prostitue > > > > > > > washing > > > > > > > the feet of Jesus. > > > > > > > > This though is 100% cultural, and it's meaning is lost on those > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > diffrant culture. Divine message, easpecialy if the intent is > > > > > > > global > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
