“… What has been thousands of years in the making will take thousands of years to undo, if in fact it can ever be undone.” – SD
Actually Slip, I find it interesting that religion asks different questions than does, say, science. Yes, there is some crossover, yet over the years, the very purview of science has changed…expanding and now including areas and notions historically left to other areas of study. Things change, including how we group areas of interest. On Feb 25, 7:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > It will take more than science and atheists to quell thousands of > years of religious belief. Certainly it is unreasonable to think that > on account of scientific revelation people would simply muffle their > voices and discontinue engaging in religious and spiritual practices. > Some Indians are still doing a peyote driven rain dance and other > cultures still believe a Sun Eating Dragon causes a Solar Eclipse. > Scientific explanations don't get these people to just come out of > their house during an eclipse. Creationism has yet to be absolutely > disproved by any theoretical or scientific model. The simple > scientific fact that other universes exist raises the question of > "what exists in them". > I wouldn't view them Duggars as "terrifyingly nasty" people. I think > I'd opt to spend the day at a picnic with the Duggars than to spend > the day in the ghettos of east Los Angeles with the slime bags that > live there. I don't hate people because they believe in something > that I think is nonsense and I think it would be better to try to > convince them of their false ideas than to organize my own 'anti' > group. What has been thousands of years in the making will take > thousands of years to undo, if in fact it can ever be undone. > > On Feb 25, 1:00 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Another note on these freaks that pretend to be intelligent, and the > > duggers... you know... the ones that want to personally breed an > > entire nation of people that cannot accept the natural world. What a > > terrifyingly nasty group of morons... no I didn't forget an "m." > > >http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/the_duggars_visit_the_crea... > > > On Feb 23, 8:44 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think Orn was just joking or mocking. Your much too bent on > > > seriousness fidd, ease up and chill out on the laughs. > > > > On Feb 23, 7:08 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > These are scientists in the same manner that my cat is a doorknob. I > > > > don't know why you want to insult hundreds of thousands of perfectly > > > > ethical and intelligent scientists by comparing them to these > > > > creationists. > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:01 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps we should bring the scientists in on this.... > > > > > ;-)http://creationmuseum.org/ > > > > > > On Feb 23, 10:13 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well my friend, there is no more proof of non existence than there > > > > > > is > > > > > > for existence. Still contending the source as imaginative mind > > > > > > melting and human conjuring, I don't discount the mystique of life. > > > > > > If the origination had remained intact and consistent throughout > > > > > > history and the heinous atrocities never transpired perhaps there > > > > > > would be no atheists, or very few. But that religious beliefs > > > > > > ramified throughout time to the point of the current chaos it seems > > > > > > understandably wise to just step back out of the way and just watch > > > > > > the pandemonium from the safety of the side lines. It can get to > > > > > > be a > > > > > > lonely world out there when the majority of believers ostracize > > > > > > those > > > > > > who don't ascribe. Much of the attraction to religion stems from > > > > > > the > > > > > > need to socialize and network, to identify with others who find > > > > > > peace > > > > > > and security within the confines of the belief. > > > > > > Gods don't need to write books, humans need to write books and now > > > > > > we > > > > > > need to put together CD's and DVD's. Why would a god that has the > > > > > > capability of creating the entire universe have to speak out > > > > > > through a > > > > > > book written by a man or have to become a human through a virgin > > > > > > birth > > > > > > only to be tortured and killed in order to free "humans" from their > > > > > > sins, the ones they were born with, whatever they are. For me most > > > > > > beliefs are like the superstitions of old gray haired sheep herders > > > > > > in > > > > > > the hills of afghanistan. I drive a car, fly airplanes, have cell > > > > > > phones, televisions, microwave ovens, digital and laser technology, > > > > > > have access to advanced medicines and we've landed a man on the > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > have satellites and space ships with numerous scientific gadgetry on > > > > > > board, so "WHY" would I want to waste my time getting involved with > > > > > > some ancient scriptural ideologies written by ignorant backwards > > > > > > people who shit in a hole in the sand and buried it like a cat? > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 11:34 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Meh! As I say in my first post what interest this one will have > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the athiest I really don't know. Take it as read my freind that I > > > > > > > belive that God exists and so any post relating to 'my invisible > > > > > > > friend' none existance is counter productive to this particular > > > > > > > debate. > > > > > > > > It may happen that in the fullness of time I may well 'do an > > > > > > > Ian'. It > > > > > > > may not, who can see into the future? > > > > > > > > You are right though all of human exeriance and all ideas are > > > > > > > subjective, however with religoin there really is nothing else > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > comparible, so it is quite literaly a branch of thought out there > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > it's own. > > > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 17:25, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lee; > > > > > > > > How can a message transcend that of culture when the fact is > > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > entire concept of deity existence is a product of culture and > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > exists within the minds of humanity. > > > > > > > > > Note: The addition of the letter o to the word God gives us > > > > > > > > Good and > > > > > > > > the addition of the letter d to the word Evil gives us Devil. > > > > > > > > Hence > > > > > > > > we have the primary basis of any belief, the obvious difference > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > good and evil portrayed by representations of a god and a devil > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > perceived to be separate entities in a constant state of > > > > > > > > confrontation > > > > > > > > and entanglement in pursuit of the aligned capitulation of all > > > > > > > > humanity to one or the other. This of course has resulted in > > > > > > > > humanity's constant state of dichotomous deity beliefs which > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > numerous than existing cultures. > > > > > > > > > The fact that any human belief or for that matter any human > > > > > > > > 'Idea' is > > > > > > > > contingent upon mans subjectivity therefore rendering it open > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > multiple interpretations, conclusions, dictum and dogmas. > > > > > > > > Ultimately > > > > > > > > the only "Void" in the whole scheme of things is the one left > > > > > > > > empty by > > > > > > > > the deities themselves, who only make their presence known > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > imaginations of the human mind. > > > > > > > > > The ancients sat around open fire pits in the wilderness > > > > > > > > needing to > > > > > > > > find answers to the whys of life, they obviously couldn't find > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > tangible answers so understandably they attributed all things > > > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > > deity, one that could create all things, was omniscient, > > > > > > > > omnipresent > > > > > > > > etc etc. > > > > > > > > > Once man established human thought as being the veritable words > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > deity and also recognized that being a direct recipient of > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > from a deity had its advantages in the form of controlling the > > > > > > > > masses > > > > > > > > of ignorant people, all hell broke loose. As people learned to > > > > > > > > position themselves as transcendent beings deserving of higher > > > > > > > > status > > > > > > > > in the cultural strata, they began to issue the dogma that is > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > prevalent today. > > > > > > > > As a convenience these same people used this position to > > > > > > > > declare other > > > > > > > > people and other cultures as evil and initiate decrees for the > > > > > > > > complete annihilation of any and all who would oppose the rule > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > "GoOD". > > > > > > > > > The world has become "littered" with religions and littered is > > > > > > > > a good > > > > > > > > word because much so that is all they have become. Nothing has > > > > > > > > changed on account of religion, no deity has descended from the > > > > > > > > sky as > > > > > > > > a glowing light or ball of fire, man is still running around in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dark without a clue, people are still taking up the sword in > > > > > > > > the name > > > > > > > > of a god that wants to kill those who don't believe. > > > > > > > > Catholicism has > > > > > > > > amassed great wealth in the process while catholics suck up to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > pope and pedophile priests, Muslims are out to kill thousands, > > > > > > > > gurus > > > > > > > > are out in a multitude of different colors dancing and chanting > > > > > > > > transcendence amidst human squalor and "new" religions are > > > > > > > > popping up > > > > > > > > daily, claiming to be the new Truth drug. Its a circus to say > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > least. > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile back at the "Reality" ranch, the governments have a > > > > > > > > lanyard > > > > > > > > wrapped around our gonads with their own form of religion, that > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > the patriotic duty of all citizens to forfeit a good portion of > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > funds to the people that boss them around, the patriotic duty to > > > > > > > > blindly lay down your life as a pawn in some declared military > > > > > > > > operation regardless of right or wrong and the duty to bend > > > > > > > > over and > > > > > > > > take it without lubrication when they act irresponsibly. God > > > > > > > > giveth > > > > > > > > and Gov taketh. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:51 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey OM. > > > > > > > > > > I guess we can say by message I mean scripture. What is holy > > > > > > > > > scripture if not Gods message to humaity, encompassing > > > > > > > > > teachings, Gods > > > > > > > > > plans, what God requires of us etc... > > > > > > > > > > The notion of life including a divine spark is included in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > message, or where else would you have the idea from? I guess > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > also talking about reveled truth, something that I certianly > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
