I wasn't "Replying To Any Argument" and "Did Not Attack Anyone"!!! Wasn't even "Debating Anything"!!!
On Mar 3, 12:58 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > You can't pass the buck with finger pointing or being rude to me. > Follow the guidelines and no name calling: > > Ad hominen should be avoided and, in the most serious circumstances, > could see you moderated or banned. Wikipedia defines ad hominem as > "replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to > a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, > rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing > evidence against the claim. > Debates about a person's deeply held values, beliefs, or way of life, > should be tempered with a high level of respect and civility. These > debates have been some of our most interesting over the years, and > they work, or not, based upon the level of mutual respect and honesty > extended by each side. If your motive is to ridicule members, or > spread bad feeling, please do not bother to post. > We've tackled a fair few sacred cows over the years and these are > always interesting discussions. However, by their nature, these > debates are very likely to stir up emotions. Please accept that the > world is full of people with radically different opinions to yours > which they hold equally as strongly. Mind's Eye is a forum for you to > interact with such people and learn more about them. It is not a forum > for you to attack them, even if they are "pro abortion baby killers", > "neo-con nutjobs", "pinko liberals", "sinners", or even British. All > of the above miscreants are welcome. > > On Mar 3, 12:09 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It is not an interpretation of anyone's character, it is not a > > diagnosis or psychological evaluation. > > > Shades of color thread: > > > Pat to Fiddler: > > "Then, as an old friend used to say, "You're wired weird". Have you > > passed that trait onto any children or do you know, yet? " > > > Is Pat making a diagnosis of Fidd, placing him into a psychological > > category? Pat used "quotes" too, at least I used the word "MAYBE". > > > I can find more examples of ad hom that you seem to ignore. > > > You want to follow me to the bathroom too molly, make sure I pick up > > the seat? > > > On Mar 3, 10:19 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The point is, Slip, that this is YOUR interpretation of a persons > > > character. None of us is here to label the others with diagnosis or > > > psychological categories. Doing so is ad hom. Attack the statement, > > > not the person. > > > > On Mar 3, 11:07 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Calling someone an idiot and suggesting that someone might feel like > > > > one are two distinct applications the later of which would not be > > > > considered ad hom. > > > > > The disposition of being Homophobic does not necessarily have to be > > > > interpreted as derogatory. Your interpretation is incorrect. > > > > > On Mar 3, 9:37 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Respect is never a waste of time, Slip. Name calling is not allowed > > > > > in here. Saying: "Maybe he feels like an idiot," does not mask the > > > > > name calling, nor does, "Maybe he got a bit homo phobic" Knock it > > > > > off. > > > > > > On Mar 3, 10:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well I hope you can see that it is not in the least ad hom and > > > > > > regardless of the ridiculousness of your post I'll waste some time > > > > > > responding to it. I would also like second and third opinions on > > > > > > this > > > > > > by Chis and Ian. > > > > > > > homo-phobic is a "Viable" reference term: > > > > > > > homophobic - Definition > > > > > > [hṓmə-fṓbē-ə] > > > > > > (n.) Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. > > > > > > (n.) Behavior based on such a feeling. > > > > > > Dictionary.com · The American Heritage® Dictionary > > > > > > > or if you prefer Webster: > > > > > > > Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia > > > > > > Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\ > > > > > > Function: noun > > > > > > Date: 1969 > > > > > > : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against > > > > > > homosexuality or homosexuals > > > > > > > In case you hadn't noticed during your zealous perusing of my post > > > > > > for > > > > > > picayune infractions of ad hom, the thread had gone from body > > > > > > consciousness to homosexuality. > > > > > > > My post "IS" tied to Manfraco's as he says: "Anyhow this tread was > > > > > > not exactly started to talk about homosexuality, > > > > > > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like to go > > > > > > back to talk about consciousness,........" etc, > > > > > > and the term was used in reference to RP in that "MAYBE" he.....etc. > > > > > > in light of the thread diversion. > > > > > > > We are not all A level logicians in here and most use terms rather > > > > > > loosely. I think it would be a fair statement that I never attack > > > > > > anyone unprovoked. This is a waste of time and interferes with the > > > > > > flow of thought that produces good dialogue in threads. > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 8:03 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope you can see that your statement "Maybe he got a bit homo > > > > > > > phobic" is an ad hom, as it is not tied to any statement by > > > > > > > Manfranco > > > > > > > in your comment, thus only related to the personal "he" on the > > > > > > > sentence. If you feel that particular statements he has made can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > categorized as such, pointing them out along with a defination of > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > term and a request to further explain would be more in the spirit > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > dialogue and less of a character slur. Please keep personal > > > > > > > attacks > > > > > > > in check, even when the topics are as touchy as this one. > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 10:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ya mon frac, consciousness and the consciousness of dreams, much > > > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > It looks as though Mr. Parker has left for the duration of the > > > > > > > > thread. Maybe he got a bit homo phobic, :-) > > > > > > > > > On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lee, it seems to me that we agree in general terms about > > > > > > > > > homosexuality, except that we have a different opinion about > > > > > > > > > it, you > > > > > > > > > seem to welcome homosexuality with open arms, whereas I > > > > > > > > > accept it just > > > > > > > > > because it cannot be avoided. > > > > > > > > > Anyhow this tread was not exactly started to talk about > > > > > > > > > homosexuality, > > > > > > > > > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would > > > > > > > > > like to go > > > > > > > > > back to talk about consciousness, which could be very > > > > > > > > > interesting for > > > > > > > > > me, as I am interested in personal consciousness of dreams, > > > > > > > > > the cosmos > > > > > > > > > the afterlife and religions, which are all part of our body > > > > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 10:02 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well I really didn't say that at all Frank, I merely asked > > > > > > > > > > you to > > > > > > > > > > consider it a possibily in light of your assurtion that > > > > > > > > > > mother nature > > > > > > > > > > must do all she can for the survival of the species, and > > > > > > > > > > anything that > > > > > > > > > > runs counter to that cannot be 'natural' > > > > > > > > > > > I gave you an example where not breeding was the best thing > > > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > survival of the species, and if mother nature governs the > > > > > > > > > > nature of > > > > > > > > > > man, then homosexuality via a process of Darwinian > > > > > > > > > > evolution must (in > > > > > > > > > > the context of this example) be considerd as an > > > > > > > > > > evolutionary plus, > > > > > > > > > > thus my 'more evolved' question. > > > > > > > > > > > I do notice BTW that you did not answer my question re: > > > > > > > > > > hetrosexual > > > > > > > > > > sex and masterbation for pleasure, would you also see these > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > 'unnatural'? > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Feb, 21:17, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > OK Lee I see your point there, but to say that the > > > > > > > > > > > homosexuals are > > > > > > > > > > > more evolved that the rest of us is an exaggeration, for > > > > > > > > > > > me it is only > > > > > > > > > > > a way for Mother Nature to adjust the imbalance which > > > > > > > > > > > herself/itself > > > > > > > > > > > created, which gives us all that extra drive about sex, > > > > > > > > > > > when to > > > > > > > > > > > propagate ourselves half as much could have been plenty. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 24, 9:29 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then dwell on this one sir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is true that the earth is going to double its > > > > > > > > > > > > population in the > > > > > > > > > > > > next 20-30 years, then for the survival of the species > > > > > > > > > > > > it may be > > > > > > > > > > > > better not to propogate our species. Ummm perhaps we > > > > > > > > > > > > should all > > > > > > > > > > > > endulge in only homosexual sex for the survial of the > > > > > > > > > > > > species. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps those that already do so is Mother Natures way > > > > > > > > > > > > of giving us > > > > > > > > > > > > all a clue, and these people are in fact more 'evolved' > > > > > > > > > > > > than the rest > > > > > > > > > > > > of us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 21:14, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to follow my own beliefs here, for me God and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be one and the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mather Nature as I see it; it is only a name that we > > > > > > > > > > > > > give to the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > side of the natural things, which to work at their > > > > > > > > > > > > > best should follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > a certain order, obviously the best order for Mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > survival and propagation of the species, it cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything else, > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus anything that does not help to accomplish that > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not Mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within other species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what do > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
