You can't pass the buck with finger pointing or being rude to me. Follow the guidelines and no name calling:
Ad hominen should be avoided and, in the most serious circumstances, could see you moderated or banned. Wikipedia defines ad hominem as "replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. Debates about a person's deeply held values, beliefs, or way of life, should be tempered with a high level of respect and civility. These debates have been some of our most interesting over the years, and they work, or not, based upon the level of mutual respect and honesty extended by each side. If your motive is to ridicule members, or spread bad feeling, please do not bother to post. We've tackled a fair few sacred cows over the years and these are always interesting discussions. However, by their nature, these debates are very likely to stir up emotions. Please accept that the world is full of people with radically different opinions to yours which they hold equally as strongly. Mind's Eye is a forum for you to interact with such people and learn more about them. It is not a forum for you to attack them, even if they are "pro abortion baby killers", "neo-con nutjobs", "pinko liberals", "sinners", or even British. All of the above miscreants are welcome. On Mar 3, 12:09 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > It is not an interpretation of anyone's character, it is not a > diagnosis or psychological evaluation. > > Shades of color thread: > > Pat to Fiddler: > "Then, as an old friend used to say, "You're wired weird". Have you > passed that trait onto any children or do you know, yet? " > > Is Pat making a diagnosis of Fidd, placing him into a psychological > category? Pat used "quotes" too, at least I used the word "MAYBE". > > I can find more examples of ad hom that you seem to ignore. > > You want to follow me to the bathroom too molly, make sure I pick up > the seat? > > On Mar 3, 10:19 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The point is, Slip, that this is YOUR interpretation of a persons > > character. None of us is here to label the others with diagnosis or > > psychological categories. Doing so is ad hom. Attack the statement, > > not the person. > > > On Mar 3, 11:07 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Calling someone an idiot and suggesting that someone might feel like > > > one are two distinct applications the later of which would not be > > > considered ad hom. > > > > The disposition of being Homophobic does not necessarily have to be > > > interpreted as derogatory. Your interpretation is incorrect. > > > > On Mar 3, 9:37 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Respect is never a waste of time, Slip. Name calling is not allowed > > > > in here. Saying: "Maybe he feels like an idiot," does not mask the > > > > name calling, nor does, "Maybe he got a bit homo phobic" Knock it > > > > off. > > > > > On Mar 3, 10:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well I hope you can see that it is not in the least ad hom and > > > > > regardless of the ridiculousness of your post I'll waste some time > > > > > responding to it. I would also like second and third opinions on this > > > > > by Chis and Ian. > > > > > > homo-phobic is a "Viable" reference term: > > > > > > homophobic - Definition > > > > > [hṓmə-fṓbē-ə] > > > > > (n.) Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. > > > > > (n.) Behavior based on such a feeling. > > > > > Dictionary.com · The American Heritage® Dictionary > > > > > > or if you prefer Webster: > > > > > > Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia > > > > > Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\ > > > > > Function: noun > > > > > Date: 1969 > > > > > : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against > > > > > homosexuality or homosexuals > > > > > > In case you hadn't noticed during your zealous perusing of my post for > > > > > picayune infractions of ad hom, the thread had gone from body > > > > > consciousness to homosexuality. > > > > > > My post "IS" tied to Manfraco's as he says: "Anyhow this tread was > > > > > not exactly started to talk about homosexuality, > > > > > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like to go > > > > > back to talk about consciousness,........" etc, > > > > > and the term was used in reference to RP in that "MAYBE" he.....etc. > > > > > in light of the thread diversion. > > > > > > We are not all A level logicians in here and most use terms rather > > > > > loosely. I think it would be a fair statement that I never attack > > > > > anyone unprovoked. This is a waste of time and interferes with the > > > > > flow of thought that produces good dialogue in threads. > > > > > > On Mar 3, 8:03 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I hope you can see that your statement "Maybe he got a bit homo > > > > > > phobic" is an ad hom, as it is not tied to any statement by > > > > > > Manfranco > > > > > > in your comment, thus only related to the personal "he" on the > > > > > > sentence. If you feel that particular statements he has made can be > > > > > > categorized as such, pointing them out along with a defination of > > > > > > your > > > > > > term and a request to further explain would be more in the spirit of > > > > > > dialogue and less of a character slur. Please keep personal attacks > > > > > > in check, even when the topics are as touchy as this one. > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 10:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ya mon frac, consciousness and the consciousness of dreams, much > > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > It looks as though Mr. Parker has left for the duration of the > > > > > > > thread. Maybe he got a bit homo phobic, :-) > > > > > > > > On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lee, it seems to me that we agree in general terms about > > > > > > > > homosexuality, except that we have a different opinion about > > > > > > > > it, you > > > > > > > > seem to welcome homosexuality with open arms, whereas I accept > > > > > > > > it just > > > > > > > > because it cannot be avoided. > > > > > > > > Anyhow this tread was not exactly started to talk about > > > > > > > > homosexuality, > > > > > > > > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like > > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > back to talk about consciousness, which could be very > > > > > > > > interesting for > > > > > > > > me, as I am interested in personal consciousness of dreams, the > > > > > > > > cosmos > > > > > > > > the afterlife and religions, which are all part of our body > > > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 10:02 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well I really didn't say that at all Frank, I merely asked > > > > > > > > > you to > > > > > > > > > consider it a possibily in light of your assurtion that > > > > > > > > > mother nature > > > > > > > > > must do all she can for the survival of the species, and > > > > > > > > > anything that > > > > > > > > > runs counter to that cannot be 'natural' > > > > > > > > > > I gave you an example where not breeding was the best thing > > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > survival of the species, and if mother nature governs the > > > > > > > > > nature of > > > > > > > > > man, then homosexuality via a process of Darwinian evolution > > > > > > > > > must (in > > > > > > > > > the context of this example) be considerd as an evolutionary > > > > > > > > > plus, > > > > > > > > > thus my 'more evolved' question. > > > > > > > > > > I do notice BTW that you did not answer my question re: > > > > > > > > > hetrosexual > > > > > > > > > sex and masterbation for pleasure, would you also see these as > > > > > > > > > 'unnatural'? > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Feb, 21:17, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > OK Lee I see your point there, but to say that the > > > > > > > > > > homosexuals are > > > > > > > > > > more evolved that the rest of us is an exaggeration, for me > > > > > > > > > > it is only > > > > > > > > > > a way for Mother Nature to adjust the imbalance which > > > > > > > > > > herself/itself > > > > > > > > > > created, which gives us all that extra drive about sex, > > > > > > > > > > when to > > > > > > > > > > propagate ourselves half as much could have been plenty. > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 24, 9:29 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Then dwell on this one sir. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is true that the earth is going to double its > > > > > > > > > > > population in the > > > > > > > > > > > next 20-30 years, then for the survival of the species it > > > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > better not to propogate our species. Ummm perhaps we > > > > > > > > > > > should all > > > > > > > > > > > endulge in only homosexual sex for the survial of the > > > > > > > > > > > species. > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps those that already do so is Mother Natures way of > > > > > > > > > > > giving us > > > > > > > > > > > all a clue, and these people are in fact more 'evolved' > > > > > > > > > > > than the rest > > > > > > > > > > > of us? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 21:14, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to follow my own beliefs here, for me God and > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature > > > > > > > > > > > > could be one and the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mather Nature as I see it; it is only a name that we > > > > > > > > > > > > give to the best > > > > > > > > > > > > side of the natural things, which to work at their best > > > > > > > > > > > > should follow > > > > > > > > > > > > a certain order, obviously the best order for Mother > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature is the > > > > > > > > > > > > survival and propagation of the species, it cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > anything else, > > > > > > > > > > > > thus anything that does not help to accomplish that is > > > > > > > > > > > > not Mother > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point out > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring within > > > > > > > > > > > > > other species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what do you mean by Mother Nature? There really > > > > > > > > > > > > > is no single > > > > > > > > > > > > > force that can be given that name, is there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:18, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lee! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that if it occurs it is natural; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but at the same time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is not what mother nature intended it to be, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as I said, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature is there for the propagation of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > species, anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other than that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be against Mother Nature will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnatural? How so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean if it occours, then it is natural yes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 Feb, 00:30, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are really happy with their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship: Does it matter if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they get married or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me if there is a god, this God would not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and perhaps could not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take part in their unnatural relationship as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God and Mother Nature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:12 am, fiddler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine prayed for true love in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form of a blonde haired > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and beautiful woman 5 years younger than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. 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