I will ammend my statement as I see the "he" may be refering to "Mr. Parker." either way, the statement stands.
On Mar 3, 9:03 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I hope you can see that your statement "Maybe he got a bit homo > phobic" is an ad hom, as it is not tied to any statement by Manfranco > in your comment, thus only related to the personal "he" on the > sentence. If you feel that particular statements he has made can be > categorized as such, pointing them out along with a defination of your > term and a request to further explain would be more in the spirit of > dialogue and less of a character slur. Please keep personal attacks > in check, even when the topics are as touchy as this one. > > On Mar 2, 10:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ya mon frac, consciousness and the consciousness of dreams, much > > better. > > > It looks as though Mr. Parker has left for the duration of the > > thread. Maybe he got a bit homo phobic, :-) > > > On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Lee, it seems to me that we agree in general terms about > > > homosexuality, except that we have a different opinion about it, you > > > seem to welcome homosexuality with open arms, whereas I accept it just > > > because it cannot be avoided. > > > Anyhow this tread was not exactly started to talk about homosexuality, > > > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like to go > > > back to talk about consciousness, which could be very interesting for > > > me, as I am interested in personal consciousness of dreams, the cosmos > > > the afterlife and religions, which are all part of our body > > > consciousness. > > > > On Feb 26, 10:02 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well I really didn't say that at all Frank, I merely asked you to > > > > consider it a possibily in light of your assurtion that mother nature > > > > must do all she can for the survival of the species, and anything that > > > > runs counter to that cannot be 'natural' > > > > > I gave you an example where not breeding was the best thing for the > > > > survival of the species, and if mother nature governs the nature of > > > > man, then homosexuality via a process of Darwinian evolution must (in > > > > the context of this example) be considerd as an evolutionary plus, > > > > thus my 'more evolved' question. > > > > > I do notice BTW that you did not answer my question re: hetrosexual > > > > sex and masterbation for pleasure, would you also see these as > > > > 'unnatural'? > > > > > On 24 Feb, 21:17, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > OK Lee I see your point there, but to say that the homosexuals are > > > > > more evolved that the rest of us is an exaggeration, for me it is only > > > > > a way for Mother Nature to adjust the imbalance which herself/itself > > > > > created, which gives us all that extra drive about sex, when to > > > > > propagate ourselves half as much could have been plenty. > > > > > > On Feb 24, 9:29 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Then dwell on this one sir. > > > > > > > If it is true that the earth is going to double its population in > > > > > > the > > > > > > next 20-30 years, then for the survival of the species it may be > > > > > > better not to propogate our species. Ummm perhaps we should all > > > > > > endulge in only homosexual sex for the survial of the species. > > > > > > Perhaps those that already do so is Mother Natures way of giving us > > > > > > all a clue, and these people are in fact more 'evolved' than the > > > > > > rest > > > > > > of us? > > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 21:14, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have to follow my own beliefs here, for me God and Mother Nature > > > > > > > could be one and the same thing. > > > > > > > Mather Nature as I see it; it is only a name that we give to the > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > side of the natural things, which to work at their best should > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > a certain order, obviously the best order for Mother Nature is the > > > > > > > survival and propagation of the species, it cannot be anything > > > > > > > else, > > > > > > > thus anything that does not help to accomplish that is not Mother > > > > > > > Nature will. > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point out there are > > > > > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring within other > > > > > > > > species. > > > > > > > > > Also what do you mean by Mother Nature? There really is no > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > force that can be given that name, is there? > > > > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:18, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lee! > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that if it occurs it is natural; but at the > > > > > > > > > same time > > > > > > > > > that is not what mother nature intended it to be, because as > > > > > > > > > I said, > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature is there for the propagation of the species, > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > other than that > > > > > > > > > would be against Mother Nature will. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Unnatural? How so? > > > > > > > > > > > I mean if it occours, then it is natural yes? > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 Feb, 00:30, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are really happy with their relationship: Does it > > > > > > > > > > > matter if > > > > > > > > > > > they get married or not? > > > > > > > > > > > For me if there is a god, this God would not and perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > could not > > > > > > > > > > > take part in their unnatural relationship as God and > > > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature > > > > > > > > > > > could be the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:12 am, fiddler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine prayed for true love in the form of a > > > > > > > > > > > > blonde haired > > > > > > > > > > > > and beautiful woman 5 years younger than himself. He is > > > > > > > > > > > > now 10 years > > > > > > > > > > > > into a spectacular relationship with a dark-haired man > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 years older > > > > > > > > > > > > than himself. The two love each other very much and I > > > > > > > > > > > > rejoice for > > > > > > > > > > > > them, they truly deserve the happiness that they have > > > > > > > > > > > > have found and > > > > > > > > > > > > build upon. Sadly, each claims that god answered some > > > > > > > > > > > > prayer in their > > > > > > > > > > > > past and dismiss the idea that they had prayed for > > > > > > > > > > > > something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > More sadly, anti-human rights churches (which are most > > > > > > > > > > > > churches) > > > > > > > > > > > > refuse to allow them to be formally married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 1:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat! Since you have personally experienced this > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual event, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which you think that people would not believe you or > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry I understand you because I have had one > > > > > > > > > > > > > of those > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now because of this spiritual experience and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons why I had it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to write a book and my own personal > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory why this has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened to me. In order to explain my experience > > > > > > > > > > > > > more clearly, I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to paste here a small part of my writings. Let > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know what you > > > > > > > > > > > > > think, you you have the time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angels say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You ought to pray to Our Father Most High, > > > > > > > > > > > > > God's heavenly angels would tell us from the sky, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray and tell Father what would be your heart desires? > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Father could decide what would be your supply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I've prayed to Our Father God Most High, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father of the entire world that guides the universe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let there be an angel from the realm of glory, > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would guide me to tell your eternal glory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND THEN ONE DAY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > And then one day I had a real surprise, because my > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayer above was > > > > > > > > > > > > > really answered: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incredible as it may seem this event really took > > > > > > > > > > > > > place and even > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised me, because while I was going to the local > > > > > > > > > > > > > shops one very > > > > > > > > > > > > > late afternoon just before sunset, I saw three > > > > > > > > > > > > > persons that I had > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen before on the footpath which I was walking > > > > > > > > > > > > > on, they were > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully dressed in simple tidy everyday clothes even > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it was > > > > > > > > > > > > > summer, and in summer most men here ware shorts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > while women ware > > > > > > > > > > > > > flimsy clothes to keep cool. Looking back at this > > > > > > > > > > > > > event it seems to me > > > > > > > > > > > > > that these three persons were waiting for me to pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > near them; and as > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was approaching them two of them a man and a woman > > > > > > > > > > > > > started walking > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards me leaving the other man alone, so that I had > > > > > > > > > > > > > to walk between > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to keep going to this shop, they had to be from > > > > > > > > > > > > > heaven, because > > > > > > > > > > > > > what the man left alone on my left said to me no > > > > > > > > > > > > > human being on earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > could ever have known at that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > GREETINGS TO THE AUTHOR OF RECONCILIATION OF THE > > > > > > > > > > > > > UNIVERSE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of these angels said to me with a courteous jest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was terrified from this sudden happening and > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved away from > > > > > > > > > > > > > them in fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > About this supernatural happening I will describe to > > > > > > > > > > > > > you later on, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > a more detailed way, in a special place within these > > > > > > > > > > > > > writings, where > > > > > > > > > > > > > it would be easier to understand why this happened to > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, since in > > > > > > > > > > > > > that position it will make more sense to the readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to say that this apparition is what really > > > > > > > > > > > > > pushes me to continue > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write these religious writings, since this is for > > > > > > > > > > > > > me the proof of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the existence of a > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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