It is not an interpretation of anyone's character, it is not a diagnosis or psychological evaluation.
Shades of color thread: Pat to Fiddler: "Then, as an old friend used to say, "You're wired weird". Have you passed that trait onto any children or do you know, yet? " Is Pat making a diagnosis of Fidd, placing him into a psychological category? Pat used "quotes" too, at least I used the word "MAYBE". I can find more examples of ad hom that you seem to ignore. You want to follow me to the bathroom too molly, make sure I pick up the seat? On Mar 3, 10:19 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > The point is, Slip, that this is YOUR interpretation of a persons > character. None of us is here to label the others with diagnosis or > psychological categories. Doing so is ad hom. Attack the statement, > not the person. > > On Mar 3, 11:07 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Calling someone an idiot and suggesting that someone might feel like > > one are two distinct applications the later of which would not be > > considered ad hom. > > > The disposition of being Homophobic does not necessarily have to be > > interpreted as derogatory. Your interpretation is incorrect. > > > On Mar 3, 9:37 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Respect is never a waste of time, Slip. Name calling is not allowed > > > in here. Saying: "Maybe he feels like an idiot," does not mask the > > > name calling, nor does, "Maybe he got a bit homo phobic" Knock it > > > off. > > > > On Mar 3, 10:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well I hope you can see that it is not in the least ad hom and > > > > regardless of the ridiculousness of your post I'll waste some time > > > > responding to it. I would also like second and third opinions on this > > > > by Chis and Ian. > > > > > homo-phobic is a "Viable" reference term: > > > > > homophobic - Definition > > > > [hṓmə-fṓbē-ə] > > > > (n.) Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. > > > > (n.) Behavior based on such a feeling. > > > > Dictionary.com · The American Heritage® Dictionary > > > > > or if you prefer Webster: > > > > > Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia > > > > Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\ > > > > Function: noun > > > > Date: 1969 > > > > : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against > > > > homosexuality or homosexuals > > > > > In case you hadn't noticed during your zealous perusing of my post for > > > > picayune infractions of ad hom, the thread had gone from body > > > > consciousness to homosexuality. > > > > > My post "IS" tied to Manfraco's as he says: "Anyhow this tread was > > > > not exactly started to talk about homosexuality, > > > > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like to go > > > > back to talk about consciousness,........" etc, > > > > and the term was used in reference to RP in that "MAYBE" he.....etc. > > > > in light of the thread diversion. > > > > > We are not all A level logicians in here and most use terms rather > > > > loosely. I think it would be a fair statement that I never attack > > > > anyone unprovoked. This is a waste of time and interferes with the > > > > flow of thought that produces good dialogue in threads. > > > > > On Mar 3, 8:03 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I hope you can see that your statement "Maybe he got a bit homo > > > > > phobic" is an ad hom, as it is not tied to any statement by Manfranco > > > > > in your comment, thus only related to the personal "he" on the > > > > > sentence. If you feel that particular statements he has made can be > > > > > categorized as such, pointing them out along with a defination of your > > > > > term and a request to further explain would be more in the spirit of > > > > > dialogue and less of a character slur. Please keep personal attacks > > > > > in check, even when the topics are as touchy as this one. > > > > > > On Mar 2, 10:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Ya mon frac, consciousness and the consciousness of dreams, much > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > It looks as though Mr. Parker has left for the duration of the > > > > > > thread. Maybe he got a bit homo phobic, :-) > > > > > > > On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lee, it seems to me that we agree in general terms about > > > > > > > homosexuality, except that we have a different opinion about it, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > seem to welcome homosexuality with open arms, whereas I accept it > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > because it cannot be avoided. > > > > > > > Anyhow this tread was not exactly started to talk about > > > > > > > homosexuality, > > > > > > > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like to > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > back to talk about consciousness, which could be very interesting > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > me, as I am interested in personal consciousness of dreams, the > > > > > > > cosmos > > > > > > > the afterlife and religions, which are all part of our body > > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 10:02 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well I really didn't say that at all Frank, I merely asked you > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > consider it a possibily in light of your assurtion that mother > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > must do all she can for the survival of the species, and > > > > > > > > anything that > > > > > > > > runs counter to that cannot be 'natural' > > > > > > > > > I gave you an example where not breeding was the best thing for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > survival of the species, and if mother nature governs the > > > > > > > > nature of > > > > > > > > man, then homosexuality via a process of Darwinian evolution > > > > > > > > must (in > > > > > > > > the context of this example) be considerd as an evolutionary > > > > > > > > plus, > > > > > > > > thus my 'more evolved' question. > > > > > > > > > I do notice BTW that you did not answer my question re: > > > > > > > > hetrosexual > > > > > > > > sex and masterbation for pleasure, would you also see these as > > > > > > > > 'unnatural'? > > > > > > > > > On 24 Feb, 21:17, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK Lee I see your point there, but to say that the > > > > > > > > > homosexuals are > > > > > > > > > more evolved that the rest of us is an exaggeration, for me > > > > > > > > > it is only > > > > > > > > > a way for Mother Nature to adjust the imbalance which > > > > > > > > > herself/itself > > > > > > > > > created, which gives us all that extra drive about sex, when > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > propagate ourselves half as much could have been plenty. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 24, 9:29 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Then dwell on this one sir. > > > > > > > > > > > If it is true that the earth is going to double its > > > > > > > > > > population in the > > > > > > > > > > next 20-30 years, then for the survival of the species it > > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > better not to propogate our species. Ummm perhaps we > > > > > > > > > > should all > > > > > > > > > > endulge in only homosexual sex for the survial of the > > > > > > > > > > species. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps those that already do so is Mother Natures way of > > > > > > > > > > giving us > > > > > > > > > > all a clue, and these people are in fact more 'evolved' > > > > > > > > > > than the rest > > > > > > > > > > of us? > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 21:14, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to follow my own beliefs here, for me God and > > > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature > > > > > > > > > > > could be one and the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > Mather Nature as I see it; it is only a name that we give > > > > > > > > > > > to the best > > > > > > > > > > > side of the natural things, which to work at their best > > > > > > > > > > > should follow > > > > > > > > > > > a certain order, obviously the best order for Mother > > > > > > > > > > > Nature is the > > > > > > > > > > > survival and propagation of the species, it cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > anything else, > > > > > > > > > > > thus anything that does not help to accomplish that is > > > > > > > > > > > not Mother > > > > > > > > > > > Nature will. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point out > > > > > > > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring within > > > > > > > > > > > > other species. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what do you mean by Mother Nature? There really > > > > > > > > > > > > is no single > > > > > > > > > > > > force that can be given that name, is there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:18, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lee! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that if it occurs it is natural; but > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the same time > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is not what mother nature intended it to be, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as I said, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature is there for the propagation of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > species, anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > other than that > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be against Mother Nature will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnatural? How so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean if it occours, then it is natural yes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 Feb, 00:30, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are really happy with their relationship: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it matter if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they get married or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me if there is a god, this God would not and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps could not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take part in their unnatural relationship as God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mother Nature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:12 am, fiddler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine prayed for true love in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form of a blonde haired > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and beautiful woman 5 years younger than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. He is now 10 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into a spectacular relationship with a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark-haired man 10 years older > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than himself. The two love each other very much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I rejoice for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them, they truly deserve the happiness that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have have found and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build upon. Sadly, each claims that god > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answered some prayer in their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > past and dismiss the idea that they had prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More sadly, anti-human rights churches (which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are most churches) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > refuse to allow them to be formally married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 1:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat! Since you have personally experienced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this spiritual event, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which you think that people would not believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you or understand you, > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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