Well I hope you can see that it is not in the least ad hom and regardless of the ridiculousness of your post I'll waste some time responding to it. I would also like second and third opinions on this by Chis and Ian.
homo-phobic is a "Viable" reference term: homophobic - Definition [hṓmə-fṓbē-ə] (n.) Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. (n.) Behavior based on such a feeling. Dictionary.com · The American Heritage® Dictionary or if you prefer Webster: Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\ Function: noun Date: 1969 : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals In case you hadn't noticed during your zealous perusing of my post for picayune infractions of ad hom, the thread had gone from body consciousness to homosexuality. My post "IS" tied to Manfraco's as he says: "Anyhow this tread was not exactly started to talk about homosexuality, it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like to go back to talk about consciousness,........" etc, and the term was used in reference to RP in that "MAYBE" he.....etc. in light of the thread diversion. We are not all A level logicians in here and most use terms rather loosely. I think it would be a fair statement that I never attack anyone unprovoked. This is a waste of time and interferes with the flow of thought that produces good dialogue in threads. On Mar 3, 8:03 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I hope you can see that your statement "Maybe he got a bit homo > phobic" is an ad hom, as it is not tied to any statement by Manfranco > in your comment, thus only related to the personal "he" on the > sentence. If you feel that particular statements he has made can be > categorized as such, pointing them out along with a defination of your > term and a request to further explain would be more in the spirit of > dialogue and less of a character slur. Please keep personal attacks > in check, even when the topics are as touchy as this one. > > On Mar 2, 10:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ya mon frac, consciousness and the consciousness of dreams, much > > better. > > > It looks as though Mr. Parker has left for the duration of the > > thread. Maybe he got a bit homo phobic, :-) > > > On Feb 28, 3:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Lee, it seems to me that we agree in general terms about > > > homosexuality, except that we have a different opinion about it, you > > > seem to welcome homosexuality with open arms, whereas I accept it just > > > because it cannot be avoided. > > > Anyhow this tread was not exactly started to talk about homosexuality, > > > it was started to talk about consciousness and Slip would like to go > > > back to talk about consciousness, which could be very interesting for > > > me, as I am interested in personal consciousness of dreams, the cosmos > > > the afterlife and religions, which are all part of our body > > > consciousness. > > > > On Feb 26, 10:02 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well I really didn't say that at all Frank, I merely asked you to > > > > consider it a possibily in light of your assurtion that mother nature > > > > must do all she can for the survival of the species, and anything that > > > > runs counter to that cannot be 'natural' > > > > > I gave you an example where not breeding was the best thing for the > > > > survival of the species, and if mother nature governs the nature of > > > > man, then homosexuality via a process of Darwinian evolution must (in > > > > the context of this example) be considerd as an evolutionary plus, > > > > thus my 'more evolved' question. > > > > > I do notice BTW that you did not answer my question re: hetrosexual > > > > sex and masterbation for pleasure, would you also see these as > > > > 'unnatural'? > > > > > On 24 Feb, 21:17, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > OK Lee I see your point there, but to say that the homosexuals are > > > > > more evolved that the rest of us is an exaggeration, for me it is only > > > > > a way for Mother Nature to adjust the imbalance which herself/itself > > > > > created, which gives us all that extra drive about sex, when to > > > > > propagate ourselves half as much could have been plenty. > > > > > > On Feb 24, 9:29 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Then dwell on this one sir. > > > > > > > If it is true that the earth is going to double its population in > > > > > > the > > > > > > next 20-30 years, then for the survival of the species it may be > > > > > > better not to propogate our species. Ummm perhaps we should all > > > > > > endulge in only homosexual sex for the survial of the species. > > > > > > Perhaps those that already do so is Mother Natures way of giving us > > > > > > all a clue, and these people are in fact more 'evolved' than the > > > > > > rest > > > > > > of us? > > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 21:14, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have to follow my own beliefs here, for me God and Mother Nature > > > > > > > could be one and the same thing. > > > > > > > Mather Nature as I see it; it is only a name that we give to the > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > side of the natural things, which to work at their best should > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > a certain order, obviously the best order for Mother Nature is the > > > > > > > survival and propagation of the species, it cannot be anything > > > > > > > else, > > > > > > > thus anything that does not help to accomplish that is not Mother > > > > > > > Nature will. > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:43 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Umm not quite true though is it? As Fidds point out there are > > > > > > > > countless example of same gender sex occouring within other > > > > > > > > species. > > > > > > > > > Also what do you mean by Mother Nature? There really is no > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > force that can be given that name, is there? > > > > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:18, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lee! > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that if it occurs it is natural; but at the > > > > > > > > > same time > > > > > > > > > that is not what mother nature intended it to be, because as > > > > > > > > > I said, > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature is there for the propagation of the species, > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > other than that > > > > > > > > > would be against Mother Nature will. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 12:31 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Unnatural? How so? > > > > > > > > > > > I mean if it occours, then it is natural yes? > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 Feb, 00:30, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are really happy with their relationship: Does it > > > > > > > > > > > matter if > > > > > > > > > > > they get married or not? > > > > > > > > > > > For me if there is a god, this God would not and perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > could not > > > > > > > > > > > take part in their unnatural relationship as God and > > > > > > > > > > > Mother Nature > > > > > > > > > > > could be the same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 9:12 am, fiddler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine prayed for true love in the form of a > > > > > > > > > > > > blonde haired > > > > > > > > > > > > and beautiful woman 5 years younger than himself. He is > > > > > > > > > > > > now 10 years > > > > > > > > > > > > into a spectacular relationship with a dark-haired man > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 years older > > > > > > > > > > > > than himself. The two love each other very much and I > > > > > > > > > > > > rejoice for > > > > > > > > > > > > them, they truly deserve the happiness that they have > > > > > > > > > > > > have found and > > > > > > > > > > > > build upon. Sadly, each claims that god answered some > > > > > > > > > > > > prayer in their > > > > > > > > > > > > past and dismiss the idea that they had prayed for > > > > > > > > > > > > something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > More sadly, anti-human rights churches (which are most > > > > > > > > > > > > churches) > > > > > > > > > > > > refuse to allow them to be formally married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 1:41 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat! Since you have personally experienced this > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual event, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which you think that people would not believe you or > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't worry I understand you because I have had one > > > > > > > > > > > > > of those > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now because of this spiritual experience and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons why I had it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to write a book and my own personal > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory why this has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened to me. In order to explain my experience > > > > > > > > > > > > > more clearly, I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to paste here a small part of my writings. Let > > > > > > > > > > > > > me know what you > > > > > > > > > > > > > think, you you have the time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angels say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You ought to pray to Our Father Most High, > > > > > > > > > > > > > God's heavenly angels would tell us from the sky, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray and tell Father what would be your heart desires? > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Father could decide what would be your supply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I've prayed to Our Father God Most High, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father of the entire world that guides the universe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let there be an angel from the realm of glory, > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would guide me to tell your eternal glory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND THEN ONE DAY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > And then one day I had a real surprise, because my > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayer above was > > > > > > > > > > > > > really answered: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incredible as it may seem this event really took > > > > > > > > > > > > > place and even > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised me, because while I was going to the local > > > > > > > > > > > > > shops one very > > > > > > > > > > > > > late afternoon just before sunset, I saw three > > > > > > > > > > > > > persons that I had > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen before on the footpath which I was walking > > > > > > > > > > > > > on, they were > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully dressed in simple tidy everyday clothes even > > > > > > > > > > > > > though it was > > > > > > > > > > > > > summer, and in summer most men here ware shorts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > while women ware > > > > > > > > > > > > > flimsy clothes to keep cool. Looking back at this > > > > > > > > > > > > > event it seems to me > > > > > > > > > > > > > that these three persons were waiting for me to pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > near them; and as > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was approaching them two of them a man and a woman > > > > > > > > > > > > > started walking > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards me leaving the other man alone, so that I had > > > > > > > > > > > > > to walk between > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to keep going to this shop, they had to be from > > > > > > > > > > > > > heaven, because > > > > > > > > > > > > > what the man left alone on my left said to me no > > > > > > > > > > > > > human being on earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > could ever have known at that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > GREETINGS TO THE AUTHOR OF RECONCILIATION OF THE > > > > > > > > > > > > > UNIVERSE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of these angels said to me with a courteous jest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was terrified from this sudden happening and > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved away from > > > > > > > > > > > > > them in fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > About this supernatural happening I will describe to > > > > > > > > > > > > > you later on, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > a more detailed way, in a special place within these > > > > > > > > > > > > > writings, where > > > > > > > > > > > > > it would be easier to understand why this happened to > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, since in > > > > > > > > > > > > > that position it will make more sense to the readers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > only to say that this apparition is what really > > > > > > > > > > > > > pushes me to continue > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write these religious writings, since this is for > > > > > > > > > > > > > me the proof of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the existence of a > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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