Is there a moral dilema in spending time with a woman whom I find attractive, and who is married to another?
No sir there is not. I find many people attractive, yet my morality says that even if I were not married(I am) I would not hit upon a woman who is. However I can clearly spend time with whomever I wish to. To take your question in a differant direction, and to place myself in the 'shoes' of another, well I cannot do that. As I have no idea of the experiances that have caused their morality to develop and thus have no clear idea of what that morality would be. On 19 Mar, 17:10, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > OK! So let's say Molly is correct in saying; > > "technically speaking, in terms of language, morals and ethics are > synonymous, although they have been applied differently to > philosophies and theologies."> and since they can be applied > differently we shall apply them to a work place where they frown upon > nepatism and relationships with clients. Your bosses wife is not a > client, nor is she an employee and you work closley with you boss. > Over the course of time you become close with his wife as well, who > happens to be very attractive and thinks the same of you. I light of > this you reflect on your experiences concerning relationships and > decide that you enjoy the company of your bosses wife above anything > you have expereienced. You also note that as far as the set of ethical > values established at work, there is not an issue except for the fact > that it's your bosses wife. Also noted is the fact that you are an > excellent employee and an asset to your organization. Let's say you > are both athiest. Is there a moral dillema? Or let's say you are a > theist that has been divorced. Have your morals changed? > > On Mar 19, 9:36 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Heh Rigsy, > > > Well that for sure is one persons version of possible future events. > > Not mine, but there we go. > > > Did I really say that morality is a personal decision? You know I > > might have done so at that, that is not though what I really mean. A > > persons moral compass must originate from somewhere. Like the ethcial > > system of the sociaty they have been brought up in, like overwhelming > > morality of the times they find them selves in, and any other ideas > > they may formulate dependant upon thier own lifes experiances. > > > So not really a choice as such, perhaps better described as a personal > > outlook? > > > On 19 Mar, 13:07, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > If Morality is a personal decision rather than imposed by a religion, > > > society/government or family/tribe, then it all boils down to what you > > > can get away with, it seems to me. I have been thinking about this and > > > trying to trace a line through four generations and here's where I am > > > at: the Vatican/religion has lost its moral authority but so have > > > governments and families. The public/mass media have emerged as the > > > judge and jury of people, places and things leading to a herd > > > acceptance of what is acceptable. You can trace the steady influence > > > through late night comic hosts, Oprah, Phil, the reality shows, > > > program content, print media, tech hysteria and so on.It's pretty much > > > complete in the West and will struggle in the Muslim world and China > > > plus geographical relatives but there too, central authority will > > > collapse. The basic concepts of the Good, human happiness, etc- all > > > categories- will adapt and change as well. Money, power, youth, > > > popularity and dozens of other attributes will replace the dusty > > > virtues and duties of the past. And yes, I also expect to see the > > > infamous "death panels". :-) > > > > On Mar 18, 4:34 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'll say it agian Slip so we are all clear of what I mean when I use > > > > the word Moral. Morlaity is your personal definition of what is right > > > > or wrong. So you and I can share the same ethical system but still > > > > have a differing morality. > > > > > So yes ALL morality is subjective. > > > > > On 16 Mar, 22:52, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Ah! But isn't that the key and part of your own acknowledgment, that > > > > > establishing a moral decision as right or wrong is the problem. By > > > > > what standard do we decide what is morally incorrect. Again as I > > > > > stated in my first post; morality has a broad scope considering much > > > > > of it is defined by society/culture/religion. Emotional attachment > > > > > to a moral dilemma would have to be based on the defined moral > > > > > incident specific to a circumstance. Perhaps there are moral > > > > > decisions that do not evoke emotional interplay while others create > > > > > emotional hysteria that is divisive and counter productive. We can > > > > > only find answers by pointing to specific instances of moral dilemma > > > > > and even then it is highly subjective, individually and culturally. > > > > > Is marriage to one's cousin immoral? We can see that emotions, ie; > > > > > love, would play a strong part in making that decision but then who > > > > > decides if it is immoral, the parents, the church, the neighbors, the > > > > > culture etc? > > > > > > On Mar 16, 12:11 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Yes that does and my thanks for it Slip. > > > > > > > I disagree though. With emotions attached to moral deciscions do > > > > > > you > > > > > > not think the chances of makeing a moraly incorrect desicion are > > > > > > hightend? > > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 14:20, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes emotions should play a part in a moral dilemma. Emotions > > > > > > > play a > > > > > > > part in almost everything we do, not to be construed as a fervent > > > > > > > emotion all the time, but any level, from non-emotion to radical > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > all in between. In a moral dilemma emotions may vacillate while > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > is trying to assess a situation, however in my 3 examples there > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > need for assessment, I would immediately get my weapon and kill. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > danger is obvious from the beginning, at the entry into the house. > > > > > > > I think emotions have their part in the formation of morals and > > > > > > > ethics. People probably establish their own morality based on > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > own emotions. Therefore, if emotion is an integral part of any > > > > > > > morality, it should be there in the endeavor to negotiate the > > > > > > > dilemma > > > > > > > and bring it to a conclusion. Hope that answers your question. > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 11:37 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > So despite you asuranes that this is not an emotional response, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > think it is so. > > > > > > > > > I would love to be able to say I would B, but who knows what > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > actualy happen. Just so that we are clear though. I hold no > > > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > about the sancticty of human life, I certianly do not belive in > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > thing, and it is purel;y moral reasons I would like to say B > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > has nowt to do with my own spirtuality. > > > > > > > > > The question though was not are their emotions involed in moral > > > > > > > > dilemers, it is clear that there are, but should there be? > > > > > > > > > You have not really answered this Slip, wanna have a go at > > > > > > > > doing so? > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mar, 15:33, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We also had other discussions on the death penalty, a much > > > > > > > > > divisive > > > > > > > > > topic where we might as well toss Religion in with the Moral > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Ethical issues. > > > > > > > > > > A man comes home and finds two of his children beheaded and > > > > > > > > > beaten, > > > > > > > > > blood everywhere, he goes into the closet and gets his > > > > > > > > > shotgun and > > > > > > > > > slowly walks up the stairs, where at the top he finds his wife > > > > > > > > > brutally murdered as well. He hears moaning and sobbing > > > > > > > > > coming from > > > > > > > > > the bedroom and as he walks over he finds a strange man > > > > > > > > > raping his > > > > > > > > > teenage daughter. The man sees him and jumps off the bed, > > > > > > > > > puts his > > > > > > > > > hands up and says he's sorry, that he doesn't know what came > > > > > > > > > over him > > > > > > > > > and says please don't kill me. > > > > > > > > > > What to do Lee; > > > > > > > > > > (A) Tell the stranger that you are going to get help for him > > > > > > > > > to see if > > > > > > > > > he can be rehabilitated. > > > > > > > > > > (B) Explain that because of your moral and ethical values and > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > religious beliefs you can't kill him but you will make sure > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > instead he gets food and shelter and medical care for the > > > > > > > > > rest of his > > > > > > > > > life in an institution. > > > > > > > > > > (C) BLAM BLAM Death Penalty immediately issued while ridding > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > world of a demented piece of garbage who most likely wouldn't > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > rehabilitated anyway and if escaped would go out and kill and > > > > > > > > > rape > > > > > > > > > some more victims. Recidivism rates speak for themselves. > > > > > > > > > > I'd go with (C) and with a clear conscience. This nonsense > > > > > > > > > about a > > > > > > > > > moral social conscience in regards to murderers is IMO, > > > > > > > > > faulted > > > > > > > > > reasoning. We've better things to do with our society than > > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > murdering mental defectives. What are we trying to prove? > > > > > > > > > Do we pat > > > > > > > > > ourselves on the back and claim we are a more advanced > > > > > > > > > society because > > > > > > > > > we don't even kill those who kill us? Are we more religiously > > > > > > > > > righteous and heavenly bound? Should we pamper Pit Bulls as > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > after they inflict a lethal attack on an innocent child? > > > > > > > > > Oh and do you think for one minute that I would let my > > > > > > > > > daughter have a > > > > > > > > > baby if she became pregnant from an incident like that? I'd > > > > > > > > > perform > > > > > > > > > the abortion myself if I had to. > > > > > > > > > > US Prisons house over 2 million inmates, according to > > > > > > > > > outdated sources > > > > > > > > > and out of that population thousands are people I wouldn't > > > > > > > > > spend 2 > > > > > > > > > seconds thinking about other than their riddance. What is > > > > > > > > > rehabilitation for a "lifer", rehabilitation for "what?". > > > > > > > > > > As of August 2009 the total prison population of the UK stood > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > 93,574. That is a lot considering the size of the UK. > > > > > > > > > > We need to stop raising and nurturing criminals. China might > > > > > > > > > have had > > > > > > > > > it right, chop their heads off in the public square, let the > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > see that crime really doesn't pay. 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