Finally an honest comment! Thanks psk. Few do know and therein is the rub. Knowing subjectivity *and* objectivity is seldom the case. Only when how they differ and how they are the same is known can the other questions be accurately addressed.
On Mar 22, 7:53 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > youre right darkwater.. we can engage in great complex discussions > about morals and ethics.. but wat i gather from my infantile brain is > that these things are really subjective and context specific.. not > really universal....wat is morally right for you aint morally right > for me.. its about conditioning i guess.. and culture specific...or > people specific... i dnt knw.. > > On Mar 22, 4:34 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Fair assesment! However, suppose the motive was merely the pursuit of > > happiness which she is not finding with her husband. Likewise, she > > makes the employee feel happy,to each other important and they can > > identify each others qualities and accept each others shortcomings. > > The question is of the moral and/or ethical ramifications. > > > On Mar 20, 7:55 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > youre right rigsy....shell ruin his life;-) > > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:45 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The wife sounds like a predator and a saboteur. Run for your life! > > > > > On Mar 19, 12:58 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I apologize for the rhetoric, I am attempting to illustrate a point > > > > > with this. Perhaps you see where I am going with this but > > > > > participation from a few different avenues is valid to my point. > > > > > > On Mar 19, 12:30 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Ok I'll make this less implicet by saying that she is ready to take > > > > > > your "relationship" to another level and your are "emotionally" > > > > > > attached to this woman. As it may be hypothetical please try to > > > > > > "wear > > > > > > the shoe's" of the man in question. > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 12:17 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there a moral dilema in spending time with a woman whom I find > > > > > > > attractive, and who is married to another? > > > > > > > > No sir there is not. I find many people attractive, yet my > > > > > > > morality > > > > > > > says that even if I were not married(I am) I would not hit upon a > > > > > > > woman who is. However I can clearly spend time with whomever I > > > > > > > wish > > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > To take your question in a differant direction, and to place > > > > > > > myself > > > > in > > > > > > > the 'shoes' of another, well I cannot do that. As I have no idea > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the experiances that have caused their morality to develop and > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > have no clear idea of what that morality would be. > > > > > > > > On 19 Mar, 17:10, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > OK! So let's say Molly is correct in saying; > > > > > > > > > "technically speaking, in terms of language, morals and ethics > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > synonymous, although they have been applied differently to > > > > > > > > philosophies and theologies."> and since they can be applied > > > > > > > > differently we shall apply them to a work place where they frown > > > > upon > > > > > > > > nepatism and relationships with clients. Your bosses wife is > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > client, nor is she an employee and you work closley with you > > > > > > > > boss. > > > > > > > > Over the course of time you become close with his wife as well, > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > happens to be very attractive and thinks the same of you. I > > > > > > > > light > > > > of > > > > > > > > this you reflect on your experiences concerning relationships > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > decide that you enjoy the company of your bosses wife above > > > > anything > > > > > > > > you have expereienced. You also note that as far as the set of > > > > ethical > > > > > > > > values established at work, there is not an issue except for the > > > > fact > > > > > > > > that it's your bosses wife. Also noted is the fact that you are > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > excellent employee and an asset to your organization. Let's say > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are both athiest. Is there a moral dillema? Or let's say you > > > > > > > > are a > > > > > > > > theist that has been divorced. Have your morals changed? > > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 9:36 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Heh Rigsy, > > > > > > > > > > Well that for sure is one persons version of possible future > > > > events. > > > > > > > > > Not mine, but there we go. > > > > > > > > > > Did I really say that morality is a personal decision? You > > > > > > > > > know > > > > I > > > > > > > > > might have done so at that, that is not though what I really > > > > mean. A > > > > > > > > > persons moral compass must originate from somewhere. Like the > > > > ethcial > > > > > > > > > system of the sociaty they have been brought up in, like > > > > overwhelming > > > > > > > > > morality of the times they find them selves in, and any other > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > they may formulate dependant upon thier own lifes experiances. > > > > > > > > > > So not really a choice as such, perhaps better described as a > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > outlook? > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Mar, 13:07, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If Morality is a personal decision rather than imposed by a > > > > religion, > > > > > > > > > > society/government or family/tribe, then it all boils down > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > what you > > > > > > > > > > can get away with, it seems to me. I have been thinking > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > this and > > > > > > > > > > trying to trace a line through four generations and here's > > > > where I am > > > > > > > > > > at: the Vatican/religion has lost its moral authority but so > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > governments and families. The public/mass media have > > > > > > > > > > emerged as > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > judge and jury of people, places and things leading to a > > > > > > > > > > herd > > > > > > > > > > acceptance of what is acceptable. You can trace the steady > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > > through late night comic hosts, Oprah, Phil, the reality > > > > > > > > > > shows, > > > > > > > > > > program content, print media, tech hysteria and so on.It's > > > > pretty much > > > > > > > > > > complete in the West and will struggle in the Muslim world > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > China > > > > > > > > > > plus geographical relatives but there too, central authority > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > collapse. The basic concepts of the Good, human happiness, > > > > > > > > > > etc- > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > categories- will adapt and change as well. Money, power, > > > > > > > > > > youth, > > > > > > > > > > popularity and dozens of other attributes will replace the > > > > dusty > > > > > > > > > > virtues and duties of the past. And yes, I also expect to > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > infamous "death panels". :-) > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 4:34 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll say it agian Slip so we are all clear of what I mean > > > > when I use > > > > > > > > > > > the word Moral. Morlaity is your personal definition of > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > is right > > > > > > > > > > > or wrong. So you and I can share the same ethical system > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > have a differing morality. > > > > > > > > > > > > So yes ALL morality is subjective. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 22:52, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah! But isn't that the key and part of your own > > > > acknowledgment, that > > > > > > > > > > > > establishing a moral decision as right or wrong is the > > > > problem. By > > > > > > > > > > > > what standard do we decide what is morally incorrect. > > > > Again as I > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in my first post; morality has a broad scope > > > > considering much > > > > > > > > > > > > of it is defined by society/culture/religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Emotional > > > > attachment > > > > > > > > > > > > to a moral dilemma would have to be based on the defined > > > > moral > > > > > > > > > > > > incident specific to a circumstance. Perhaps there are > > > > moral > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions that do not evoke emotional interplay while > > > > others create > > > > > > > > > > > > emotional hysteria that is divisive and counter > > > > > > > > > > > > productive. > > > > We can > > > > > > > > > > > > only find answers by pointing to specific instances of > > > > moral dilemma > > > > > > > > > > > > and even then it is highly subjective, individually and > > > > culturally. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is marriage to one's cousin immoral? We can see that > > > > emotions, ie; > > > > > > > > > > > > love, would play a strong part in making that decision > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > then who > > > > > > > > > > > > decides if it is immoral, the parents, the church, the > > > > neighbors, the > > > > > > > > > > > > culture etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 12:11 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that does and my thanks for it Slip. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree though. With emotions attached to moral > > > > deciscions do you > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think the chances of makeing a moraly incorrect > > > > desicion are > > > > > > > > > > > > > hightend? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 14:20, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes emotions should play a part in a moral dilemma. > > > > Emotions play a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part in almost everything we do, not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > construed as > > > > a fervent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotion all the time, but any level, from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > non-emotion > > > > to radical and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all in between. In a moral dilemma emotions may > > > > vacillate while one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is trying to assess a situation, however in my 3 > > > > examples there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need for assessment, I would immediately get my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weapon > > > > and kill. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > danger is obvious from the beginning, at the entry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think emotions have their part in the formation of > > > > morals and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics. People probably establish their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morality > > > > based on their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own emotions. Therefore, if emotion is an integral > > > > part of any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morality, it should be there in the endeavor to > > > > negotiate the dilemma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bring it to a conclusion. Hope that answers your > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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