Good instinct. So Molly is correct in saying that it is wise to
detatch emotionaly in order to make a moraly sound decision. Orn is
also correct in stating that morals are both subjective and objective
and that they are fixed and not fluid. P.S.K more thoroughly made my
point by saying that it is "people specific" and mentioned
conditioning which alludes to what Molly said earlier. Set principals
are learned only through application and by repetition. Knowledge of
principals are of little value without knowledge of self pertaining to
such.
Personaly I would probably bang her and send her back to her
hubby right after getting hired somwhere else for more pay. Of course
thats just me not being afraid to get out my "ten foot pole" to touch
a subject ;-P Maybe someone will learn someting!
On Mar 24, 4:59 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> Then I would have to walk away and probably try to aviod her company
> for a while.
>
> On 19 Mar, 17:30, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ok I'll make this less implicet by saying that she is ready to take
> > your "relationship" to another level and your are "emotionally"
> > attached to this woman. As it may be hypothetical please try to "wear
> > the shoe's" of the man in question.
>
> > On Mar 19, 12:17 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Is there a moral dilema in spending time with a woman whom I find
> > > attractive, and who is married to another?
>
> > > No sir there is not. I find many people attractive, yet my morality
> > > says that even if I were not married(I am) I would not hit upon a
> > > woman who is. However I can clearly spend time with whomever I wish
> > > to.
>
> > > To take your question in a differant direction, and to place myself in
> > > the 'shoes' of another, well I cannot do that. As I have no idea of
> > > the experiances that have caused their morality to develop and thus
> > > have no clear idea of what that morality would be.
>
> > > On 19 Mar, 17:10, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > OK! So let's say Molly is correct in saying;
>
> > > > "technically speaking, in terms of language, morals and ethics are
> > > > synonymous, although they have been applied differently to
> > > > philosophies and theologies."> and since they can be applied
> > > > differently we shall apply them to a work place where they frown upon
> > > > nepatism and relationships with clients. Your bosses wife is not a
> > > > client, nor is she an employee and you work closley with you boss.
> > > > Over the course of time you become close with his wife as well, who
> > > > happens to be very attractive and thinks the same of you. I light of
> > > > this you reflect on your experiences concerning relationships and
> > > > decide that you enjoy the company of your bosses wife above anything
> > > > you have expereienced. You also note that as far as the set of ethical
> > > > values established at work, there is not an issue except for the fact
> > > > that it's your bosses wife. Also noted is the fact that you are an
> > > > excellent employee and an asset to your organization. Let's say you
> > > > are both athiest. Is there a moral dillema? Or let's say you are a
> > > > theist that has been divorced. Have your morals changed?
>
> > > > On Mar 19, 9:36 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Heh Rigsy,
>
> > > > > Well that for sure is one persons version of possible future events.
> > > > > Not mine, but there we go.
>
> > > > > Did I really say that morality is a personal decision? You know I
> > > > > might have done so at that, that is not though what I really mean. A
> > > > > persons moral compass must originate from somewhere. Like the ethcial
> > > > > system of the sociaty they have been brought up in, like overwhelming
> > > > > morality of the times they find them selves in, and any other ideas
> > > > > they may formulate dependant upon thier own lifes experiances.
>
> > > > > So not really a choice as such, perhaps better described as a personal
> > > > > outlook?
>
> > > > > On 19 Mar, 13:07, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > If Morality is a personal decision rather than imposed by a
> > > > > > religion,
> > > > > > society/government or family/tribe, then it all boils down to what
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > can get away with, it seems to me. I have been thinking about this
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > trying to trace a line through four generations and here's where I
> > > > > > am
> > > > > > at: the Vatican/religion has lost its moral authority but so have
> > > > > > governments and families. The public/mass media have emerged as the
> > > > > > judge and jury of people, places and things leading to a herd
> > > > > > acceptance of what is acceptable. You can trace the steady influence
> > > > > > through late night comic hosts, Oprah, Phil, the reality shows,
> > > > > > program content, print media, tech hysteria and so on.It's pretty
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > complete in the West and will struggle in the Muslim world and China
> > > > > > plus geographical relatives but there too, central authority will
> > > > > > collapse. The basic concepts of the Good, human happiness, etc- all
> > > > > > categories- will adapt and change as well. Money, power, youth,
> > > > > > popularity and dozens of other attributes will replace the dusty
> > > > > > virtues and duties of the past. And yes, I also expect to see the
> > > > > > infamous "death panels". :-)
>
> > > > > > On Mar 18, 4:34 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I'll say it agian Slip so we are all clear of what I mean when I
> > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > the word Moral. Morlaity is your personal definition of what is
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > or wrong. So you and I can share the same ethical system but
> > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > have a differing morality.
>
> > > > > > > So yes ALL morality is subjective.
>
> > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 22:52, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Ah! But isn't that the key and part of your own acknowledgment,
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > establishing a moral decision as right or wrong is the problem.
> > > > > > > > By
> > > > > > > > what standard do we decide what is morally incorrect. Again
> > > > > > > > as I
> > > > > > > > stated in my first post; morality has a broad scope considering
> > > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > of it is defined by society/culture/religion. Emotional
> > > > > > > > attachment
> > > > > > > > to a moral dilemma would have to be based on the defined moral
> > > > > > > > incident specific to a circumstance. Perhaps there are moral
> > > > > > > > decisions that do not evoke emotional interplay while others
> > > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > emotional hysteria that is divisive and counter productive.
> > > > > > > > We can
> > > > > > > > only find answers by pointing to specific instances of moral
> > > > > > > > dilemma
> > > > > > > > and even then it is highly subjective, individually and
> > > > > > > > culturally.
> > > > > > > > Is marriage to one's cousin immoral? We can see that emotions,
> > > > > > > > ie;
> > > > > > > > love, would play a strong part in making that decision but then
> > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > decides if it is immoral, the parents, the church, the
> > > > > > > > neighbors, the
> > > > > > > > culture etc?
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 12:11 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes that does and my thanks for it Slip.
>
> > > > > > > > > I disagree though. With emotions attached to moral
> > > > > > > > > deciscions do you
> > > > > > > > > not think the chances of makeing a moraly incorrect desicion
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > hightend?
>
> > > > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 14:20, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Yes emotions should play a part in a moral dilemma.
> > > > > > > > > > Emotions play a
> > > > > > > > > > part in almost everything we do, not to be construed as a
> > > > > > > > > > fervent
> > > > > > > > > > emotion all the time, but any level, from non-emotion to
> > > > > > > > > > radical and
> > > > > > > > > > all in between. In a moral dilemma emotions may vacillate
> > > > > > > > > > while one
> > > > > > > > > > is trying to assess a situation, however in my 3 examples
> > > > > > > > > > there is no
> > > > > > > > > > need for assessment, I would immediately get my weapon and
> > > > > > > > > > kill. The
> > > > > > > > > > danger is obvious from the beginning, at the entry into the
> > > > > > > > > > house.
> > > > > > > > > > I think emotions have their part in the formation of morals
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > ethics. People probably establish their own morality based
> > > > > > > > > > on their
> > > > > > > > > > own emotions. Therefore, if emotion is an integral part of
> > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > morality, it should be there in the endeavor to negotiate
> > > > > > > > > > the dilemma
> > > > > > > > > > and bring it to a conclusion. Hope that answers your
> > > > > > > > > > question.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 11:37 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > So despite you asuranes that this is not an emotional
> > > > > > > > > > > response, I
> > > > > > > > > > > think it is so.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I would love to be able to say I would B, but who knows
> > > > > > > > > > > what would
> > > > > > > > > > > actualy happen. Just so that we are clear though. I
> > > > > > > > > > > hold no ideas
> > > > > > > > > > > about the sancticty of human life, I certianly do not
> > > > > > > > > > > belive in such a
> > > > > > > > > > > thing, and it is purel;y moral reasons I would like to
> > > > > > > > > > > say B and also
> > > > > > > > > > > has nowt to do with my own spirtuality.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The question though was not are their emotions involed in
> > > > > > > > > > > moral
> > > > > > > > > > > dilemers, it is clear that there are, but should there be?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > You have not really answered this Slip, wanna have a go
> > > > > > > > > > > at doing so?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mar, 15:33, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > We also had other discussions on the death penalty, a
> > > > > > > > > > > > much divisive
> > > > > > > > > > > > topic where we might as well toss Religion in with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Moral and
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ethical issues.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > A man comes home and finds two of his children beheaded
> > > > > > > > > > > > and beaten,
> > > > > > > > > > > > blood everywhere, he goes into the closet and gets his
> > > > > > > > > > > > shotgun and
> > > > > > > > > > > > slowly walks up the stairs, where at the top he finds
> > > > > > > > > > > > his wife
> > > > > > > > > > > > brutally murdered as well. He hears moaning and
> > > > > > > > > > > > sobbing coming from
> > > > > > > > > > > > the bedroom and as he walks over he finds a strange man
> > > > > > > > > > > > raping his
> > > > > > > > > > > > teenage daughter. The man sees him and jumps off the
> > > > > > > > > > > > bed, puts his
> > > > > > > > > > > > hands up and says he's sorry, that he doesn't know what
> > > > > > > > > > > > came over him
> > > > > > > > > > > > and says please don't kill me.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > What to do Lee;
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > (A) Tell the stranger that you are going to get help
> > > > > > > > > > > > for him to see if
> > > > > > > > > > > > he can be rehabilitated.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > (B) Explain that because of your moral and ethical
> > > > > > > > > > > > values and your
> > > > > > > > > > > > religious beliefs you can't kill him but you will make
> > > > > > > > > > > > sure that
> > > > > > > > > > > > instead he gets food and shelter and medical care for
> > > > > > > > > > > > the rest of his
> > > > > > > > > > > > life in an institution.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > (C) BLAM BLAM Death Penalty immediately issued while
> > > > > > > > > > > > ridding the
>
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