I apologize for the rhetoric, I am attempting to illustrate a point with this. Perhaps you see where I am going with this but participation from a few different avenues is valid to my point.
On Mar 19, 12:30 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok I'll make this less implicet by saying that she is ready to take > your "relationship" to another level and your are "emotionally" > attached to this woman. As it may be hypothetical please try to "wear > the shoe's" of the man in question. > > On Mar 19, 12:17 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Is there a moral dilema in spending time with a woman whom I find > > attractive, and who is married to another? > > > No sir there is not. I find many people attractive, yet my morality > > says that even if I were not married(I am) I would not hit upon a > > woman who is. However I can clearly spend time with whomever I wish > > to. > > > To take your question in a differant direction, and to place myself in > > the 'shoes' of another, well I cannot do that. As I have no idea of > > the experiances that have caused their morality to develop and thus > > have no clear idea of what that morality would be. > > > On 19 Mar, 17:10, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > OK! So let's say Molly is correct in saying; > > > > "technically speaking, in terms of language, morals and ethics are > > > synonymous, although they have been applied differently to > > > philosophies and theologies."> and since they can be applied > > > differently we shall apply them to a work place where they frown upon > > > nepatism and relationships with clients. Your bosses wife is not a > > > client, nor is she an employee and you work closley with you boss. > > > Over the course of time you become close with his wife as well, who > > > happens to be very attractive and thinks the same of you. I light of > > > this you reflect on your experiences concerning relationships and > > > decide that you enjoy the company of your bosses wife above anything > > > you have expereienced. You also note that as far as the set of ethical > > > values established at work, there is not an issue except for the fact > > > that it's your bosses wife. Also noted is the fact that you are an > > > excellent employee and an asset to your organization. Let's say you > > > are both athiest. Is there a moral dillema? Or let's say you are a > > > theist that has been divorced. Have your morals changed? > > > > On Mar 19, 9:36 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Heh Rigsy, > > > > > Well that for sure is one persons version of possible future events. > > > > Not mine, but there we go. > > > > > Did I really say that morality is a personal decision? You know I > > > > might have done so at that, that is not though what I really mean. A > > > > persons moral compass must originate from somewhere. Like the ethcial > > > > system of the sociaty they have been brought up in, like overwhelming > > > > morality of the times they find them selves in, and any other ideas > > > > they may formulate dependant upon thier own lifes experiances. > > > > > So not really a choice as such, perhaps better described as a personal > > > > outlook? > > > > > On 19 Mar, 13:07, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > If Morality is a personal decision rather than imposed by a religion, > > > > > society/government or family/tribe, then it all boils down to what you > > > > > can get away with, it seems to me. I have been thinking about this and > > > > > trying to trace a line through four generations and here's where I am > > > > > at: the Vatican/religion has lost its moral authority but so have > > > > > governments and families. The public/mass media have emerged as the > > > > > judge and jury of people, places and things leading to a herd > > > > > acceptance of what is acceptable. You can trace the steady influence > > > > > through late night comic hosts, Oprah, Phil, the reality shows, > > > > > program content, print media, tech hysteria and so on.It's pretty much > > > > > complete in the West and will struggle in the Muslim world and China > > > > > plus geographical relatives but there too, central authority will > > > > > collapse. The basic concepts of the Good, human happiness, etc- all > > > > > categories- will adapt and change as well. Money, power, youth, > > > > > popularity and dozens of other attributes will replace the dusty > > > > > virtues and duties of the past. And yes, I also expect to see the > > > > > infamous "death panels". :-) > > > > > > On Mar 18, 4:34 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'll say it agian Slip so we are all clear of what I mean when I use > > > > > > the word Moral. Morlaity is your personal definition of what is > > > > > > right > > > > > > or wrong. So you and I can share the same ethical system but still > > > > > > have a differing morality. > > > > > > > So yes ALL morality is subjective. > > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 22:52, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ah! But isn't that the key and part of your own acknowledgment, > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > establishing a moral decision as right or wrong is the problem. > > > > > > > By > > > > > > > what standard do we decide what is morally incorrect. Again as I > > > > > > > stated in my first post; morality has a broad scope considering > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > of it is defined by society/culture/religion. Emotional > > > > > > > attachment > > > > > > > to a moral dilemma would have to be based on the defined moral > > > > > > > incident specific to a circumstance. Perhaps there are moral > > > > > > > decisions that do not evoke emotional interplay while others > > > > > > > create > > > > > > > emotional hysteria that is divisive and counter productive. We > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > only find answers by pointing to specific instances of moral > > > > > > > dilemma > > > > > > > and even then it is highly subjective, individually and > > > > > > > culturally. > > > > > > > Is marriage to one's cousin immoral? We can see that emotions, > > > > > > > ie; > > > > > > > love, would play a strong part in making that decision but then > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > decides if it is immoral, the parents, the church, the neighbors, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > culture etc? > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 12:11 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes that does and my thanks for it Slip. > > > > > > > > > I disagree though. With emotions attached to moral deciscions > > > > > > > > do you > > > > > > > > not think the chances of makeing a moraly incorrect desicion are > > > > > > > > hightend? > > > > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 14:20, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes emotions should play a part in a moral dilemma. Emotions > > > > > > > > > play a > > > > > > > > > part in almost everything we do, not to be construed as a > > > > > > > > > fervent > > > > > > > > > emotion all the time, but any level, from non-emotion to > > > > > > > > > radical and > > > > > > > > > all in between. In a moral dilemma emotions may vacillate > > > > > > > > > while one > > > > > > > > > is trying to assess a situation, however in my 3 examples > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > need for assessment, I would immediately get my weapon and > > > > > > > > > kill. The > > > > > > > > > danger is obvious from the beginning, at the entry into the > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > I think emotions have their part in the formation of morals > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > ethics. People probably establish their own morality based > > > > > > > > > on their > > > > > > > > > own emotions. Therefore, if emotion is an integral part of > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > morality, it should be there in the endeavor to negotiate the > > > > > > > > > dilemma > > > > > > > > > and bring it to a conclusion. Hope that answers your question. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 11:37 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So despite you asuranes that this is not an emotional > > > > > > > > > > response, I > > > > > > > > > > think it is so. > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to be able to say I would B, but who knows > > > > > > > > > > what would > > > > > > > > > > actualy happen. Just so that we are clear though. I hold > > > > > > > > > > no ideas > > > > > > > > > > about the sancticty of human life, I certianly do not > > > > > > > > > > belive in such a > > > > > > > > > > thing, and it is purel;y moral reasons I would like to say > > > > > > > > > > B and also > > > > > > > > > > has nowt to do with my own spirtuality. > > > > > > > > > > > The question though was not are their emotions involed in > > > > > > > > > > moral > > > > > > > > > > dilemers, it is clear that there are, but should there be? > > > > > > > > > > > You have not really answered this Slip, wanna have a go at > > > > > > > > > > doing so? > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mar, 15:33, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We also had other discussions on the death penalty, a > > > > > > > > > > > much divisive > > > > > > > > > > > topic where we might as well toss Religion in with the > > > > > > > > > > > Moral and > > > > > > > > > > > Ethical issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > A man comes home and finds two of his children beheaded > > > > > > > > > > > and beaten, > > > > > > > > > > > blood everywhere, he goes into the closet and gets his > > > > > > > > > > > shotgun and > > > > > > > > > > > slowly walks up the stairs, where at the top he finds his > > > > > > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > > > brutally murdered as well. He hears moaning and sobbing > > > > > > > > > > > coming from > > > > > > > > > > > the bedroom and as he walks over he finds a strange man > > > > > > > > > > > raping his > > > > > > > > > > > teenage daughter. The man sees him and jumps off the > > > > > > > > > > > bed, puts his > > > > > > > > > > > hands up and says he's sorry, that he doesn't know what > > > > > > > > > > > came over him > > > > > > > > > > > and says please don't kill me. > > > > > > > > > > > > What to do Lee; > > > > > > > > > > > > (A) Tell the stranger that you are going to get help for > > > > > > > > > > > him to see if > > > > > > > > > > > he can be rehabilitated. > > > > > > > > > > > > (B) Explain that because of your moral and ethical values > > > > > > > > > > > and your > > > > > > > > > > > religious beliefs you can't kill him but you will make > > > > > > > > > > > sure that > > > > > > > > > > > instead he gets food and shelter and medical care for the > > > > > > > > > > > rest of his > > > > > > > > > > > life in an institution. > > > > > > > > > > > > (C) BLAM BLAM Death Penalty immediately issued while > > > > > > > > > > > ridding the > > > > > > > > > > > world of a demented piece of garbage who most likely > > > > > > > > > > > wouldn't be > > > > > > > > > > > rehabilitated anyway and if escaped would go out and kill > > > > > > > > > > > and rape > > > > > > > > > > > some more victims. Recidivism rates speak for themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd go with (C) and with a clear conscience. This > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense about a > > > > > > > > > > > moral social conscience in regards to murderers is IMO, > > > > > > > > > > > faulted > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
