As long as everything is out in the open and no one is being coerced or forced I don't see the moral failure here. However, imo, a relationship between boss and employee is almost always coerced or implied coercion. It may be hard to say no to they guy/girl signing your paycheck. It's one of the reasons I find Clinton's and Letterman's behavior so disgusting.
We are not meant to be monogamous. We just aren't. dj On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:23 AM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]>wrote: > Good instinct. So Molly is correct in saying that it is wise to > detatch emotionaly in order to make a moraly sound decision. Orn is > also correct in stating that morals are both subjective and objective > and that they are fixed and not fluid. P.S.K more thoroughly made my > point by saying that it is "people specific" and mentioned > conditioning which alludes to what Molly said earlier. Set principals > are learned only through application and by repetition. Knowledge of > principals are of little value without knowledge of self pertaining to > such. > Personaly I would probably bang her and send her back to her > hubby right after getting hired somwhere else for more pay. Of course > thats just me not being afraid to get out my "ten foot pole" to touch > a subject ;-P Maybe someone will learn someting! > > On Mar 24, 4:59 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > Then I would have to walk away and probably try to aviod her company > > for a while. > > > > On 19 Mar, 17:30, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ok I'll make this less implicet by saying that she is ready to take > > > your "relationship" to another level and your are "emotionally" > > > attached to this woman. As it may be hypothetical please try to "wear > > > the shoe's" of the man in question. > > > > > On Mar 19, 12:17 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Is there a moral dilema in spending time with a woman whom I find > > > > attractive, and who is married to another? > > > > > > No sir there is not. I find many people attractive, yet my morality > > > > says that even if I were not married(I am) I would not hit upon a > > > > woman who is. However I can clearly spend time with whomever I wish > > > > to. > > > > > > To take your question in a differant direction, and to place myself > in > > > > the 'shoes' of another, well I cannot do that. As I have no idea of > > > > the experiances that have caused their morality to develop and thus > > > > have no clear idea of what that morality would be. > > > > > > On 19 Mar, 17:10, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > OK! So let's say Molly is correct in saying; > > > > > > > "technically speaking, in terms of language, morals and ethics are > > > > > synonymous, although they have been applied differently to > > > > > philosophies and theologies."> and since they can be applied > > > > > differently we shall apply them to a work place where they frown > upon > > > > > nepatism and relationships with clients. Your bosses wife is not a > > > > > client, nor is she an employee and you work closley with you boss. > > > > > Over the course of time you become close with his wife as well, who > > > > > happens to be very attractive and thinks the same of you. I light > of > > > > > this you reflect on your experiences concerning relationships and > > > > > decide that you enjoy the company of your bosses wife above > anything > > > > > you have expereienced. You also note that as far as the set of > ethical > > > > > values established at work, there is not an issue except for the > fact > > > > > that it's your bosses wife. Also noted is the fact that you are an > > > > > excellent employee and an asset to your organization. Let's say you > > > > > are both athiest. Is there a moral dillema? Or let's say you are a > > > > > theist that has been divorced. Have your morals changed? > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 9:36 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Heh Rigsy, > > > > > > > > Well that for sure is one persons version of possible future > events. > > > > > > Not mine, but there we go. > > > > > > > > Did I really say that morality is a personal decision? You know > I > > > > > > might have done so at that, that is not though what I really > mean. A > > > > > > persons moral compass must originate from somewhere. Like the > ethcial > > > > > > system of the sociaty they have been brought up in, like > overwhelming > > > > > > morality of the times they find them selves in, and any other > ideas > > > > > > they may formulate dependant upon thier own lifes experiances. > > > > > > > > So not really a choice as such, perhaps better described as a > personal > > > > > > outlook? > > > > > > > > On 19 Mar, 13:07, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If Morality is a personal decision rather than imposed by a > religion, > > > > > > > society/government or family/tribe, then it all boils down to > what you > > > > > > > can get away with, it seems to me. I have been thinking about > this and > > > > > > > trying to trace a line through four generations and here's > where I am > > > > > > > at: the Vatican/religion has lost its moral authority but so > have > > > > > > > governments and families. The public/mass media have emerged as > the > > > > > > > judge and jury of people, places and things leading to a herd > > > > > > > acceptance of what is acceptable. You can trace the steady > influence > > > > > > > through late night comic hosts, Oprah, Phil, the reality shows, > > > > > > > program content, print media, tech hysteria and so on.It's > pretty much > > > > > > > complete in the West and will struggle in the Muslim world and > China > > > > > > > plus geographical relatives but there too, central authority > will > > > > > > > collapse. The basic concepts of the Good, human happiness, etc- > all > > > > > > > categories- will adapt and change as well. Money, power, youth, > > > > > > > popularity and dozens of other attributes will replace the > dusty > > > > > > > virtues and duties of the past. And yes, I also expect to see > the > > > > > > > infamous "death panels". :-) > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 4:34 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'll say it agian Slip so we are all clear of what I mean > when I use > > > > > > > > the word Moral. Morlaity is your personal definition of what > is right > > > > > > > > or wrong. So you and I can share the same ethical system but > still > > > > > > > > have a differing morality. > > > > > > > > > > So yes ALL morality is subjective. > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 22:52, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ah! But isn't that the key and part of your own > acknowledgment, that > > > > > > > > > establishing a moral decision as right or wrong is the > problem. By > > > > > > > > > what standard do we decide what is morally incorrect. > Again as I > > > > > > > > > stated in my first post; morality has a broad scope > considering much > > > > > > > > > of it is defined by society/culture/religion. Emotional > attachment > > > > > > > > > to a moral dilemma would have to be based on the defined > moral > > > > > > > > > incident specific to a circumstance. Perhaps there are > moral > > > > > > > > > decisions that do not evoke emotional interplay while > others create > > > > > > > > > emotional hysteria that is divisive and counter productive. > We can > > > > > > > > > only find answers by pointing to specific instances of > moral dilemma > > > > > > > > > and even then it is highly subjective, individually and > culturally. > > > > > > > > > Is marriage to one's cousin immoral? We can see that > emotions, ie; > > > > > > > > > love, would play a strong part in making that decision but > then who > > > > > > > > > decides if it is immoral, the parents, the church, the > neighbors, the > > > > > > > > > culture etc? > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 12:11 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that does and my thanks for it Slip. > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree though. With emotions attached to moral > deciscions do you > > > > > > > > > > not think the chances of makeing a moraly incorrect > desicion are > > > > > > > > > > hightend? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Mar, 14:20, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes emotions should play a part in a moral dilemma. > Emotions play a > > > > > > > > > > > part in almost everything we do, not to be construed as > a fervent > > > > > > > > > > > emotion all the time, but any level, from non-emotion > to radical and > > > > > > > > > > > all in between. In a moral dilemma emotions may > vacillate while one > > > > > > > > > > > is trying to assess a situation, however in my 3 > examples there is no > > > > > > > > > > > need for assessment, I would immediately get my weapon > and kill. The > > > > > > > > > > > danger is obvious from the beginning, at the entry into > the house. > > > > > > > > > > > I think emotions have their part in the formation of > morals and > > > > > > > > > > > ethics. People probably establish their own morality > based on their > > > > > > > > > > > own emotions. Therefore, if emotion is an integral > part of any > > > > > > > > > > > morality, it should be there in the endeavor to > negotiate the dilemma > > > > > > > > > > > and bring it to a conclusion. Hope that answers your > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 11:37 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So despite you asuranes that this is not an emotional > response, I > > > > > > > > > > > > think it is so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to be able to say I would B, but who > knows what would > > > > > > > > > > > > actualy happen. Just so that we are clear though. I > hold no ideas > > > > > > > > > > > > about the sancticty of human life, I certianly do not > belive in such a > > > > > > > > > > > > thing, and it is purel;y moral reasons I would like > to say B and also > > > > > > > > > > > > has nowt to do with my own spirtuality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question though was not are their emotions > involed in moral > > > > > > > > > > > > dilemers, it is clear that there are, but should > there be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not really answered this Slip, wanna have a > go at doing so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mar, 15:33, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We also had other discussions on the death penalty, > a much divisive > > > > > > > > > > > > > topic where we might as well toss Religion in with > the Moral and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ethical issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A man comes home and finds two of his children > beheaded and beaten, > > > > > > > > > > > > > blood everywhere, he goes into the closet and gets > his shotgun and > > > > > > > > > > > > > slowly walks up the stairs, where at the top he > finds his wife > > > > > > > > > > > > > brutally murdered as well. He hears moaning and > sobbing coming from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bedroom and as he walks over he finds a strange > man raping his > > > > > > > > > > > > > teenage daughter. The man sees him and jumps off > the bed, puts his > > > > > > > > > > > > > hands up and says he's sorry, that he doesn't know > what came over him > > > > > > > > > > > > > and says please don't kill me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to do Lee; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (A) Tell the stranger that you are going to get > help for him to see if > > > > > > > > > > > > > he can be rehabilitated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (B) Explain that because of your moral and ethical > values and your > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious beliefs you can't kill him but you will > make sure that > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead he gets food and shelter and medical care > for the rest of his > > > > > > > > > > > > > life in an institution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (C) BLAM BLAM Death Penalty immediately issued > while ridding the > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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