The one and the many.
On Jun 4, 10:32 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > There is no paradox unless one is in dualism. > > On Jun 4, 11:48 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "And, changes in viewpoint are a choice only in that they occur > > through > > divine grace. " > > > There is no other way, because we are divine grace. Thus, the > > paradox. > > > On Jun 4, 2:41 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Personally, I know countless people who have realized infinite > > > possibility. > > > > And, while examples abound demonstrating those who move against > > > another person, all claims thereof are but prejudice. > > > > And, changes in viewpoint are a choice only in that they occur through > > > divine grace. > > > > On Jun 4, 1:21 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > your sneer is showing. I will leave what Pat knows and doesn't up to > > > > Pat. But will say, like relative and absolute, One and Many, choice > > > > is a matter of state and stage of being. Ultimately, as we have > > > > realized the One within our individuality, our choices are the choices > > > > of the One, our self will becomes Divine Will. Yet, the choice to > > > > realize the One, to move toward, with or against others, to use > > > > hateful words or compassionate words, to make the move to understand > > > > or not, are all the relative choices that allow us to realize > > > > ourselves as One in Many. The paradox of it, is that we have choice > > > > and non choice and ultimately, they are the same because when we have > > > > realized infinite possibility, we have made all choices and so no > > > > choices. How many people do you know that have realized infinite > > > > possibility (Christ consciousness)? Anyone capable of moving against > > > > another person, has not. This realization, like all others, requires > > > > a change in viewpoint (that is a choice) that precludes such action. > > > > > On Jun 3, 6:44 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > ...even Pat knows this! > > > > > > On Jun 3, 12:00 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > so, you don't choose the words you put into your posts? > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 1:49 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > All choice is an illusion. > > > > > > > Cynicism is but ignorance as to the true nature of things > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:20 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > we choose our words, our thoughts and emotions. But as you > > > > > > > > say, when > > > > > > > > we are "in the equipoise way" those choices are self evident > > > > > > > > and, as > > > > > > > > DWB points out, only Brahaman. Cynicism will not get us there. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 12:40 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Being aware that there is no choice to be made and remaining > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > equipoise is the way. > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 3:43 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Making the choice to be neither, yet embracing all those > > > > > > > > > > that are, as > > > > > > > > > > essential to the One, is the means to escaping the slavery > > > > > > > > > > we each > > > > > > > > > > impose on ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 5:29 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who dominate are actually slaves to their own lower > > > > > > > > > > > nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 12:15 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Molly is right. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:33 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such confidence is rarely seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 3:00 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we all use it, you are no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 1:57 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** assumes the royal 'we' is being used *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 4:43 am, Molly <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "we need to take on a greater arrogance to put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ' good - at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see, like toning down anger with more anger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effective, but only if our counter anger is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen in truth by us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Often, in such situations, instead of one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person lovingly using the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affect of anger to tone down another into a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more rational state, we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get two people raging at one another. And like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > force, this rarely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trick to it would be, I suppose, that our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgment of another be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely clear, devoid of all self serving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agenda, shining like the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun at high noon, without shadow. Often, we do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not recognize that it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not until the words are already spoken and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the damage done. More > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > often, we donn the suit of the warrior out to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > squash wrong in another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with our sword of love and come to find that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indeed, we have picked > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sword of self interest instead, and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimately at war with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves, only recognizing it in other when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our own shadow turns the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mirror to darkness. Thus, humility has its way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with us, and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is restored. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that one big clue as to which is which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the language that > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > choose, even in our own thoughts. If we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking to expose and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condemn with references of evil and harsh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, we are usually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quelling our own ghosts. When we are reaching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out with compassion > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > holding other in the greater good, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving in compassion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, when we are revved up with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotion, we sometimes don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stop to determine the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 8:40 am, vamadevananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't the whole thing, Molly ! Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as they say, God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing, we need to take on a greater > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrogance to put the ' good - > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - heart ' arrogant in place. Out of sheer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love of the other, if I > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > add. It usually is on account of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgetfulness and the treatment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serves to shake things up in a moment or for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a day or week, for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protagonist to reflect and realise the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simplest of truths he'd come > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transgress. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll all have the time and occasion to come > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together when we can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate or deprecate our bodies, talk of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our feelings and > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotions, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our thoughts and ideas, and our knowledge, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the full awareness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is the others who are making it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible. Occasionally too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the knowledge comes to resonate among two or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may people. That's the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing beyond par ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But force - creating such resonance is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only futile but > > > > > > > > > > > > > damaging, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even traumatic, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 5:05 pm, Molly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arrogance can be offputting. My experience > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, that it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > usually, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one way or another, shattered by humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience has a way > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving this to us in the most surprising > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 3:27 am, vamadevananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " But how do we know that someone else is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not just exploring a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular phase in their overall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integrity, and may find > > > > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow to move them beyond ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As PSK said, by the rigidity, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitiveness and finality in > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public declarations. The evangelists and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extremists do that, so > > > > > > > > > > > > > do the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doom - sayers ! It is the damage by such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > declarations that > > > > > > > > > > > > > must be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > preempted, if we may. The moving beyond, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the 2012 doom > > > > > > > > > > > > > sayers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > certainly will, is in the future, having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing to mitigate > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > damages and scarring one is causing today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Why is it important to judge a person's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > view as closed or > > > > > > > > > > > > > open ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because closed views are like stagnant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unreplenished, waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
