oh but you see.. enlightenment is something else.. its not about exelling something.. its about being free i suppose.. you wouldnt go about declaring..'yo i am enlightened now'.. but there are some phonies i know...and this whole capitalising on spirituality and enlightenment.. it just puts me off.. like you said in another post.. perspective i suppose..
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:52 AM, vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote: > Most of us would be no where near the sports ground where Olympians > practice. > > Is that it ? Because the bar is too high for the rest of us ? > > On Jun 19, 1:13 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > yeah.. people who declare themselves enlightened drive me away...complex > i > > guess;-) > > > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:46 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Ahhhah my freinds and family are offten uncomfatable around me, > > > therefore I must be enlightend! ;¬) > > > > > On 18 June, 12:29, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I find myself agreeing with your statement, gabby! What a wonderful > > > > way to begin the day. > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:32 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Na, you've got to see it positively! This is what they mean by > "true > > > > > perfection is imperfect". This is where Pat's omnieverything God > draws > > > > > his juice from. :-) > > > > > > > On 17 Jun., 21:15, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You know i am more likely to be friends with the 'Nowhere man' > rather > > > > > > than enlightened man... the enlightened man seems too > unreal...the > > > way > > > > > > perfect is always flawed.. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Better in what way? > > > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 8:43 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think we need a better form of social rebellion. > > > > > > > > > > On 14 June, 12:00, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In this context your reminder that no man was an island > makes > > > better > > > > > > > > > sense to me. Accepted. > > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jun., 11:04, ashok tewari <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, my dear, it's not about accepting or not accepting > the > > > competing > > > > > > > egos. > > > > > > > > > > They're everywhere. And, social media is really > irrelevant ; > > > they > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > > > make ( even ) a genius the least bit better. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is about accepting or not accepting the likes of > Jesus, > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > Franklin, Descartes, Spinoza, Kierkegaard, Camus, > Vivekananda > > > ... who > > > > > > > > > > excelled in their spirit and life, knowledge, skills, > > > thought, speech > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > action ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we, the others, are so busy with our smallness, > as to > > > refuse > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > concede and accept greatness anywhere, much less in > another > > > human > > > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > Some even sound very ' principled !' > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote : When a man attains mastery over himself and his > > > craft, even > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > failures become the stepping stones for others to > succeed. > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:12 PM, gabbydott < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In your either/or distinctiveness you sound a lot like > > > Kierkegaard, > > > > > > > > > > > Vam. Hasn't social media made life easier in this > respect? > > > What is > > > > > > > > > > > there not to accept about them competing egos out > there? > > > Ain't that > > > > > > > > > > > the more appropriate question? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jun., 05:36, vamadevananda < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenon is actually simple. It arises from the > > > nature of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > ego, which in its essence is competitive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any person who displays excellence of attitude, > > > knowledge, skill, > > > > > > > > > > > > thought, speech or action ... constantly departing > from > > > the > > > > > > > common and > > > > > > > > > > > > the accepted or expected ... possessions do not move > him, > > > power > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not interest him, knowledge arises in him as required > or > > > > > > > necessary > > > > > > > > > > > > without him having to keep it under lock and key ... > he > > > can only > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > either banished from our midst or be accepted as a > much > > > loved > > > > > > > leader > > > > > > > > > > > > and highly regarded teacher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That kind of acceptance is rarely possible, less so > in > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > democratised society, where everyone is a leader and > a > > > teacher, > > > > > > > none > > > > > > > > > > > > for more than a few formal minutes, hours, days, > weeks or > > > months > > > > > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 12:54 am, Molly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the quote is from Osho, I would guess he > refers > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > illuminated man, but then, I would only be guessing > at > > > the use > > > > > > > of your > > > > > > > > > > > > > phrase also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 13, 1:36 pm, gabbydott <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which enlightened man is meant in this/in your > > > context: the > > > > > > > > > > > instructed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man or the illuminated man? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Jun., 17:58, Molly <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "People are afraid, very much afraid of those > who > > > know > > > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have a certain power, a certain aura and a > > > certain > > > > > > > magnetism, > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charisma that can take out alive, young people > from > > > the > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imprisonment.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The enlightened man cannot be enslaved - that > is > > > the > > > > > > > difficulty - > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he cannot be imprisoned.... Every genius who > has > > > known > > > > > > > something of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the inner is bound to be a little difficult to > be > > > absorbed; > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to be an upsetting force. The masses > don't > > > want to be > > > > > > > > > > > disturbed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even though they may be in misery; they are in > > > misery, but > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accustomed to the misery. And anybody who is > not > > > miserable > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a stranger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The enlightened man is the greatest stranger in > the > > > world; > > > > > > > he does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem to belong to anybody. No organization > confines > > > him, no > > > > > > > > > > > community, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no society, no nation." -- Osho The Zen > Manifesto: > > > Freedom > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oneself Chapter 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you known rebels that make you > uncomfortable? > > > Is > > > > > > > there a > > > > > > > > > > > rebel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in you that makes others uncomfortable? Is the > > > rebel in > > > > > > > you able > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break barriers (especially internal?) 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