The state of enlightenment or self-realisation is called Turiya-avastha by yogis.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is simply a state > of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, awaken > state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or Truth, God , > Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or God. > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from a >> relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined you believe is >> an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the steps you took to >> get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain point you will >> probably say that words are inadequate to describe the process. However some >> of the process is probably describable. No? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am >> Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >> >> Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though commonplace ( for >> they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago ), because they >> have roots and causes within you. >> >> The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior - inferior >> but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught up in. >> >> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from >>> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). Further that >>> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to obtain an >>> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am doomed to >>> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me that what >>> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my personal self >>> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure awareness you claim >>> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions of >>> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the >>> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of spiritual >>> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into human talk is >>> really saying something like: I know something you don't know and what I >>> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word games with me >>> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and too bad >>> you don't know it. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am >>> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >>> >>> Very good! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, even for a >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually falling >>> > deep >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > asleep ! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > Pray tell. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > I do. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are describing - then >>> > >> you >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> can not be certain that >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are accurate. So >>> > >> we >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever you wish >>> > >> and >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> obviously do - but in terms of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest of us. Or >>> > >> do >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in the manner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters unknown. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we live for the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. What is the >>> > >> > > point >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> if all >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > is already forgone? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where all records are >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is yet to come and >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the universe is >>> > >> > > where >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight difference of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> events..involving >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how bout that.. or >>> > >> > > > isnt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > it.. no idea.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank Elder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel universe. For me my >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> parallel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual things reside, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where are those >>> > >> > > > > things >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past and future >>> > >> > > > > people and >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this parallel >>> > >> > > > > universe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a spiritual parallel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny the existence of >>> > >> > > > > any >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > spiritual things? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence of a parallel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one parallel >>> > >> > > > > universe I >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> do >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > not have a clue. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > My regards >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > Manfraco >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > > Parallel spaceMinds-Eye - 2 posts - 2 authors - Last >>> > >> > > > > > post: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > > 12, 2008 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > > rp singh ... Minds-Eye Space has infinite layers and in each >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> layer >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > > there is a unique universe. Time has no beginning and no end >>> > >> > > > > > as >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > > past is ... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > >http://groups.google.com/g/3517fe0c/t/fca83d2320a90343/d/df18f534e5c8... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > > I wrote about parallel universes in ME as above. I am >>> > >> > > > > > hearing a >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> lot >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > > about parallel universes nowadays whereas when I expounded my >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> belief I >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > > > > > was ridiculed. 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