Yes, I agree on both counts, in an an anthropic sense. Unfourtunately we are not completely aware of what other awarenesses are out there! It is pretty high minded to think that we are the most intelligent life forms in this universe not to mention that of other universes. In any case this was meant to describe the levels of awareness and to provide a working definition of the term. This is not to say that the mechanics of such process is not as you say! The assignment of meaning is where it becomes challenging. Consider this (just to get back on track) in the context of multiple universes;
"If one lived in only 2-dimensions (aka as “Flatland”), then something in the third dimension passing through our plane would appear suddenly, and just as quickly disappear. From the three dimensional point of view, not much has happened, but from the two dimensional point of view, it’s a real eye opener. Thus why not an object normally residing in four or five dimensions casually wandering through our three dimensions, and thus the “hiccup”. Or perhaps an ever grander event, the kind that gives rise to new religions?"-Dan Sewell Ward http://www.halexandria.org/dward408.htm On Jul 8, 10:34 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > If there is Self-awareness or enlightenment or God-state then that awareness > would open a new meaning to life. > > > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:30 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > In my experience awareness is the beginning of a process not an end in > > itself. Awareness leads to selection among raw data of experience which is > > then imputed with meaning. No? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:51 am > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > The state of enlightenment or self-realisation is called Turiya-avastha by > > yogis. > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is simply a state > >> of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, awaken > >> state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or Truth, God , > >> Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or God. > > >> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from a > >>> relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined you believe > >>> is > >>> an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the steps you took > >>> to > >>> get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain point you will > >>> probably say that words are inadequate to describe the process. However > >>> some > >>> of the process is probably describable. No? > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am > >>> Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >>> Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though commonplace ( for > >>> they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago ), because > >>> they > >>> have roots and causes within you. > > >>> The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior - inferior > >>> but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught up in. > > >>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from > >>>> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). Further that > >>>> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to obtain an > >>>> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am doomed to > >>>> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me that > >>>> what > >>>> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my personal > >>>> self > >>>> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure awareness you > >>>> claim > >>>> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions of > >>>> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the > >>>> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of spiritual > >>>> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into human talk > >>>> is > >>>> really saying something like: I know something you don't know and what I > >>>> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word games with > >>>> me > >>>> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and too bad > >>>> you don't know it. > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am > >>>> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >>>> Very good! > > >>>> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. > > >>>> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, even > >>>> > for a > > >>>> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually falling > >>>> > deep > > >>>> > asleep ! > > >>>> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > Pray tell. > > >>>> > > -----Original Message----- > > >>>> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > >>>> > > To: [email protected] > > >>>> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am > > >>>> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >>>> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" > > >>>> > > I do. > > >>>> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are describing - > >>>> > >> then you > > >>>> > >> can not be certain that > > >>>> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are accurate. > >>>> > >> So we > > >>>> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re > > >>>> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever you > >>>> > >> wish and > > >>>> > >> obviously do - but in terms of > > >>>> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest of us. > >>>> > >> Or do > > >>>> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? > > >>>> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > >>>> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >>>> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am > > >>>> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > >>>> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in the > >>>> > >> manner > > >>>> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters > >>>> > >> unknown. > > >>>> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > >>>> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
