I believe what was being asked is that you might consider substantiating or offering an explaination fo how your beliefs were formed. Also take into consideration that true belief comes to fruition!
On Jul 7, 1:52 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > No one can call his subjective beliefs as knowledge and my beliefs, which > to me stand as proved, my opinions and insinuations. > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:39 AM, DarkwaterBlight > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > You need only to prove to yourself what you believe my friend. ;) > > > On Jul 7, 1:07 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Prove to me and all that you are anything beyond this body as you claim. > > > Prove that you can be one with theTruth while still in this body. > > Whatever > > > you claim is just subjective and cannot be proved. How then can you ask > > me > > > to prove what I believe? Is that not subjective also? What is God or > > Truth? > > > Is that also not subjective? > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:25 AM, vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > You speak as if you know. > > > > > Only let know what you know, beyond your opinions and > > > > insinuations ! ? > > > > > On Jul 7, 9:16 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is simply a > > > > state > > > > > of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, > > awaken > > > > > state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or Truth, > > God > > > > , > > > > > Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or God. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from a > > > > > > relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined you > > > > believe is > > > > > > an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the steps > > you > > > > took to > > > > > > get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain point > > you > > > > will > > > > > > probably say that words are inadequate to describe the process. > > However > > > > some > > > > > > of the process is probably describable. No? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > > Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though commonplace ( > > for > > > > > > they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago ), > > because > > > > they > > > > > > have roots and causes within you. > > > > > > > The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior - > > > > inferior > > > > > > but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught up > > in. > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free from > > > > > >> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). > > Further > > > > that > > > > > >> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to > > obtain > > > > an > > > > > >> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I am > > doomed > > > > to > > > > > >> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense to me > > that > > > > what > > > > > >> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my > > personal > > > > self > > > > > >> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure awareness > > you > > > > claim > > > > > >> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's assertions > > of > > > > > >> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of the > > > > > >> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression of > > > > spiritual > > > > > >> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into > > human > > > > talk is > > > > > >> really saying something like: I know something you don't know and > > > > what I > > > > > >> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word games > > > > with me > > > > > >> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth and > > too > > > > bad > > > > > >> you don't know it. > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> From: Molly <[email protected]> > > > > > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am > > > > > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> Very good! > > > > > > >> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. > > > > > > >> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you know, > > even > > > > for a > > > > > > >> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without actually > > > > falling deep > > > > > > >> > asleep ! > > > > > > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > Pray tell. > > > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > >> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am > > > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" > > > > > > >> > > I do. > > > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are > > describing - > > > > then you > > > > > > >> > >> can not be certain that > > > > > > >> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are > > > > accurate. So we > > > > > > >> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re > > > > > > >> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe whatever > > you > > > > wish and > > > > > > >> > >> obviously do - but in terms of > > > > > > >> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the rest > > of > > > > us. Or do > > > > > > >> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? > > > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am > > > > > > >> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not in > > the > > > > manner > > > > > > >> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to matters > > > > unknown. > > > > > > >> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? > > > > > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am > > > > > > >> > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we live > > for > > > > the > > > > > > >> > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. > > > > > > >> > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. What > > is > > > > the point > > > > > > >> if all > > > > > > >> > >> > is already forgone? > > > > > > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > >> > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm > > > > > > >> > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > > > >> > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where all > > > > records are > > > > > > >> > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is yet to > > come > > > > and > > > > > > >> > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the > > universe > > > > is where > > > > > > >> > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. > > > > > > >> > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" < > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight difference of > > > > > > >> events..involving > > > > > > >> > >> the > > > > > > >> > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how bout > > > > that.. or isnt > > > > > > >> > >> > > > it.. no idea.. > > > > > > >> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank Elder > > > > > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel universe. > > For > > > > me my > > > > > > >> parallel > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual > > things > > > > reside, > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where are > > > > those things > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past and > > future > > > > people and > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this > > parallel > > > > universe > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a spiritual > > > > parallel > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny the > > > > existence of any > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual things? > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence of a > > > > parallel > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one > > parallel > > > > universe I > > > > > > >> do > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > not have a clue. > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > My regards > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Parallel spaceMinds-Eye - 2 posts - 2 authors > > - > > > > Last post: > > > > > > >> Mar > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > 12, 2008 > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > rp singh ... 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