On 5 Aug, 15:27, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > I have to agree that evolution is not neccesarily an enlightening > though. As Deane points out, the survival of the species is the reason > for adaptation. I think that awareness can promote evolution of the > mind but somehow evolution may be involuntary and we might not be > aware of it.
This gets Rumsfeldian. There are both recombination and mutation that are 'known knowns' and the aspect of epigenetic mutations are a 'known unknown', in that we know ABOUT epigenetics and that they can be tweaked by reactions to our environment, but we DON'T know exactly how they get tweaked or how (exactly) they are coded or how (exactly) they are triggered or how they are passed on. So there are elements of 'unknown knowns' (all those 'hows' above) and the ever-popular 'unknown unknowns', of which only Don himself can speak. ;-) >Nature somehow provides for our needs and 'knows' in > which direction we need to evolve. I'm starting to get on my Gaia > thing again. LOL! > > On Aug 5, 9:48 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hey Doug, > > > That's a good point and one I did not think of. I can't help but > > think though if such a state can be said to be evolution. > > > If it contiunes this way, people wil form groups of which they will > > communicate with and groups of which they will keep away from(and yes > > this is the very way I approach life myself) then I can see the > > inevitable result would be commuinties divided by mindset and > > ideology, rather than geography. > > > I'm not sure if you have ever heard me wax lyrical about what I think > > will be the way humanity goes, my ideas on tribalizastion and anarchy? > > > This ties in nicely with it though. Still dived commuinites > > eascpecialy divison along idelogical grounds is bound to bring with it > > much trouble unless we can agree on certian priniples, free travel > > between comminties so that people who have idealogical changes are > > free and unencombered to leave and join other communities is the very > > first, and the idea of 'leave them to it' is the second. > > > I wouldn't call it evolution without these two principles being agreed > > and acted upon though, I would call it same old same old. > > > On 5 Aug, 14:28, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I would imagine that anyone might 'evolve' to any degree on the > > > spectrum either way. I do agree with Molly's post to the extent that > > > as knowledge and awareness increase so does understanding and empathy. > > > Yes it is true that people are more aprehensive and tend to keep to > > > thier own but that's understandable. This aprehensiveness comes from > > > the awareness of negative aspects in society. This is not to say that > > > people are not forming better relationship but rather, are more > > > selective about the relationships that are persued. Becoming close to > > > those who live nearby can be dangerous these days. I spoke with an old > > > friend last week who used to live across the street fom me. A mutual > > > aquaintance lives next door to her and had been coming to her house > > > and talking to her boyfriend. She was a little nervous about his > > > presence at times but brushed it aside. Apparently the guy was coming > > > over at night when her BF was at work borrowing DVD's and she would > > > not let him in but he would come in during the day when her BF was > > > home. One night, she said, she woke up and the guy was in her bedroom > > > going through her dresser drawer. Her BF happened to be off this > > > evening and the left real quick saying he just returning the DVD he > > > had borrowed. The BF went after him and was going to kick his ass but > > > she stopped him from doing so. > > > > On Aug 5, 8:22 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 5 Aug, 11:26, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I think I disagree. > > > > > > In my little part of the world it seems that people are haveing less > > > > > to do with each other, I barely know my neigbours, we are still > > > > > fighting in Afganistan and Iraq, religious fundematlisim may be on the > > > > > rise. > > > > > > No I see little evidance of any evolution of relationships, and see > > > > > some for the opposite. > > > > > Could not the concept of 'evolution' be movement in either a positive > > > > or negative direction? And your experience is simply evolution in a > > > > negative direction. Remember: it's a spectrum!! > > > > > > On 3 Aug, 13:46, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > All aspects of human civilization—language, art, aesthetics, > > > > > > technology, architecture, organizations, governments—depend upon > > > > > > essential human relationships for their evolution and expression. > > > > > > > * Question: What is actually evolving? > > > > > > > * Answer: The quality and quantity of relationships between > > > > > > people, > > > > > > assuming the form of shared meanings, agreements, relationships and > > > > > > groups of relationships. The cultural domain is inter-subjective, > > > > > > because it exists between subjects, yet is often not objectively > > > > > > identifiable. But the fact that these shared spaces of meaning are > > > > > > not > > > > > > objectively identifiable does not hinder us from experiencing them > > > > > > as > > > > > > being real. As such, the subjective world includes not only > > > > > > individual > > > > > > consciousness but the inter-subjective domain of relationships as > > > > > > well, making the interior universe much more substantial. These > > > > > > relationships are real, yet they exist in the internal universe. The > > > > > > evolution of this internal universe accounts for the fact that > > > > > > women, > > > > > > children, and minorities now experience and possess more freedoms > > > > > > than > > > > > > in any time in written history. > > > > > > > What do YOU think? > > > > > > > For more: > > > > > > http://www.i-awake.net/2010/08/spiral-dynamics-introduction.html-Hide...- > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
