On 10 Aug, 18:42, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Pat, currenntly my work only involves review and anaysis of > other works. the most complete and relevant thesis to date being that > of Robert Kenny's. I have yet to posit anything close to a hpothesis > of my own. More research into the quantum vacum and zero point field > and understanding quantum waves is of great necessity.
Try to read up on the works/findong of Tony Skyrme. Whilst it all looks like dreadfully difficult mathematics, it boils down to a concept where only the original 4 forces (gravity, E-M, Strong Atomic and Weak Atomic) are required. The particles can be mathematically 'produced' by the way the waves of those 4 forces combine in field effects. Thus, the 'particles' of wave/particle duality are an illusion and only the fields of waves are the reality. >Just to clarify > the latter to an adequate level of simplicity which is in support of > you work; "The ZPF implies that all matter in the universe is > “interconnected by waves…, tying one part of the universe to every > other part.”-Kenny. In addition, all matter, at sub atomic levels, can > be thought of as waves as demonstrated by the two slit experiment > (provided that you don't add an observer!). Interesting that the two > slit experiment implies consciousness at sub atomic levels! > In my theory the ZPF is the medium through which our 4-D space-time expands. However it, itself, is 16-dimensional. The ZPF is a grid that is made of what would appear (if you had a microscope powerful enough to see it) thread-like and extends in all directions, thus allowing 4-D space to expand through it. But, as I said, that thread- like structure is, in fact, a twine of 16-dimensions that are rotated out of our view--due to the rotational symmetries allowed by 8- dimensional algebra, which governs the whole 26-D space that exists. Granted, it's hard to picture, but, hopefully, taking the 'grid-made- of-thread' will give you a macroscopic view of it and noting that the thread itself is a 'twine-of-several-dimensions' will give you a microscopic view of the ZPF. > On Aug 10, 8:56 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 10 Aug, 13:27, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have been mulling your statement over, DWB, and still can't quite > > > understand what you are getting at when you say "by thought no local > > > affects can > > > occur." Can you explain further? > > > He's talking about quantum 'non-locality', non-locality is a direct > > influence of one object on another distant object. The same concept > > that underpins 'quantum entanglement', a problem that my physics > > solves. With respect to DWB, my theory would also account for that, > > as I view each of our consciousnesses as 2-D slices of a larger 3-D > > loaf of consciousness. Thoses 'slices' are, in essence' as illusory > > as the separation between quanta, once consciousness has been bent > > around a few dimensional corners. In just the same way as our > > experience of 'oneness' is, in THIS 4-D universe, observed as 'the > > many', consciousness is just another aspect of that Oneness and CANNOT > > truly be separated from ANY other part of the real x-dimensional > > universe (where x is 10, 11 or 26, given various string theories). > > > DWB, you're spot on and my own work would back yours, here, I > > believe!! > > > > On Aug 9, 11:47 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In reading some of this, the thought occurs that we might be able to > > > > effect change in others. I combination with my reseach into collective > > > > consciouness it seems feasable that by thought no local affects can > > > > occur. > > > > > On Aug 9, 9:39 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > There is a cellular biologist, Bruce Lipton, that is tenured at the > > > > > University of Wisconsin, Madison, and has been studying the effects of > > > > > thoughts and our internal environment on our DNA for a couple of > > > > > decades. He has hooked himself into the Louise Hay circuit, and my > > > > > opinion is that this may damage his credibility although I know that > > > > > he did it to get this info to as many people as quickly as possible. > > > > > His studies of identical twins separated at birth and raised with > > > > > different families show that the DNA of each resembles the DNA of > > > > > their families (not biological) more than each other or their family > > > > > of origin. > > > > > > His thesis is: "It shows that genes and DNA do not control our > > > > > biology; that instead DNA is controlled by signals from outside the > > > > > cell, including the energetic messages emanating from our positive and > > > > > negative thoughts. Dr. Lipton’s profoundly hopeful synthesis of the > > > > > latest and best research in cell biology and quantum physics is being > > > > > hailed as a major breakthrough showing that our bodies can be changed > > > > > as we retrain our thinking." > > > > > http://www.brucelipton.com/interviews-with-bruce/ > > > > > > I think his work comes the closest that I have seen to making sense of > > > > > the real workings of DNA and our evolutionary process. Here in middle > > > > > age, as I look around me at the people I have seen live long enough to > > > > > make it here, I can see that the careless, angry people look very old, > > > > > the pleasant loving people look incredibly young for their age. Our > > > > > internal environments - beliefs, thoughts, feelings, emotions, ego > > > > > patterns, sleep patterns - have a profound effect on our biologic > > > > > function. Sometimes, just recognizing this can create a huge shift in > > > > > our health. > > > > > > On Aug 9, 8:45 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 15:27, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have to agree that evolution is not neccesarily an enlightening > > > > > > > though. As Deane points out, the survival of the species is the > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > for adaptation. I think that awareness can promote evolution of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > mind but somehow evolution may be involuntary and we might not be > > > > > > > aware of it. > > > > > > > This gets Rumsfeldian. There are both recombination and mutation > > > > > > that > > > > > > are 'known knowns' and the aspect of epigenetic mutations are a > > > > > > 'known > > > > > > unknown', in that we know ABOUT epigenetics and that they can be > > > > > > tweaked by reactions to our environment, but we DON'T know exactly > > > > > > how > > > > > > they get tweaked or how (exactly) they are coded or how (exactly) > > > > > > they > > > > > > are triggered or how they are passed on. So there are elements of > > > > > > 'unknown knowns' (all those 'hows' above) and the ever-popular > > > > > > 'unknown unknowns', of which only Don himself can speak. ;-) > > > > > > > >Nature somehow provides for our needs and 'knows' in > > > > > > > which direction we need to evolve. I'm starting to get on my Gaia > > > > > > > thing again. LOL! > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 9:48 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Doug, > > > > > > > > > That's a good point and one I did not think of. I can't help > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > think though if such a state can be said to be evolution. > > > > > > > > > If it contiunes this way, people wil form groups of which they > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > communicate with and groups of which they will keep away > > > > > > > > from(and yes > > > > > > > > this is the very way I approach life myself) then I can see the > > > > > > > > inevitable result would be commuinties divided by mindset and > > > > > > > > ideology, rather than geography. > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if you have ever heard me wax lyrical about what I > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > will be the way humanity goes, my ideas on tribalizastion and > > > > > > > > anarchy? > > > > > > > > > This ties in nicely with it though. Still dived commuinites > > > > > > > > eascpecialy divison along idelogical grounds is bound to bring > > > > > > > > with it > > > > > > > > much trouble unless we can agree on certian priniples, free > > > > > > > > travel > > > > > > > > between comminties so that people who have idealogical changes > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > free and unencombered to leave and join other communities is > > > > > > > > the very > > > > > > > > first, and the idea of 'leave them to it' is the second. > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't call it evolution without these two principles being > > > > > > > > agreed > > > > > > > > and acted upon though, I would call it same old same old. > > > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 14:28, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would imagine that anyone might 'evolve' to any degree on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > spectrum either way. I do agree with Molly's post to the > > > > > > > > > extent that > > > > > > > > > as knowledge and awareness increase so does understanding and > > > > > > > > > empathy. > > > > > > > > > Yes it is true that people are more aprehensive and tend to > > > > > > > > > keep to > > > > > > > > > thier own but that's understandable. This aprehensiveness > > > > > > > > > comes from > > > > > > > > > the awareness of negative aspects in society. This is not to > > > > > > > > > say that > > > > > > > > > people are not forming better relationship but rather, are > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > selective about the relationships that are persued. Becoming > > > > > > > > > close to > > > > > > > > > those who live nearby can be dangerous these days. I spoke > > > > > > > > > with an old > > > > > > > > > friend last week who used to live across the street fom me. A > > > > > > > > > mutual > > > > > > > > > aquaintance lives next door to her and had been coming to her > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > and talking to her boyfriend. She was a little nervous about > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > presence at times but brushed it aside. Apparently the guy > > > > > > > > > was coming > > > > > > > > > over at night when her BF was at work borrowing DVD's and she > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > not let him in but he would come in during the day when her > > > > > > > > > BF was > > > > > > > > > home. One night, she said, she woke up and the guy was in her > > > > > > > > > bedroom > > > > > > > > > going through her dresser drawer. Her BF happened to be off > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > evening and the left real quick saying he just returning the > > > > > > > > > DVD he > > > > > > > > > had borrowed. The BF went after him and was going to kick his > > > > > > > > > ass but > > > > > > > > > she stopped him from doing so. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:22 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 11:26, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my little part of the world it seems that people are > > > > > > > > > > > haveing less > > > > > > > > > > > to do with each other, I barely know my neigbours, we are > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > fighting in Afganistan and Iraq, religious fundematlisim > > > > > > > > > > > may be on the > > > > > > > > > > > rise. > > > > > > > > > > > > No I see little evidance of any evolution of > > > > > > > > > > > relationships, and see > > > > > > > > > > > some for the opposite. > > > > > > > > > > > Could not the concept of 'evolution' be movement in either > > > > > > > > > > a positive > > > > > > > > > > or negative direction? And your experience is simply > > > > > > > > > > evolution in a > > > > > > > > > > negative direction. Remember: it's a spectrum!! > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Aug, 13:46, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
