"... On Aug 18, 5:40 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: ..."
> I think the quote you may be reffering to was that made by Descartes > which was"Je pense donce je suis" or "cogito ergo sum" in english "I > think, therefore I am" > Which is a valid statement and along the same philosophical lines. Is it really a valid statement? I know philosophically it is a time- honored phrase going all the way back to the Greek "knowledge is knowledge" by Plato and further expanded by Aristotle. But it reeks of a circular argument to me. I think therefore I am. I am therefore I think. It really seems to go nowhere. There must be better proofs that one exists than I am. If it works at all, it only works within the confines of one's own consciousness -- which may be all one needs for proving one's own existence to oneself. However, that is also a circular exercise that can only lead one back to oneself. Isn't proof of existence outside the confines of ones own consciousness of more value? > Thought is a powerful tool and when coupled with belief it > is a creative force. You'll get no argument from me on that statement. However, for that creative force to be useful and relevant, it seems that it must include others as well. Of what good is thought and creativity if it is not shared with others? If a person is monastic in the extreme -- a hermit with no contact whatsoever with anyone else -- of what good, what use, what value, is that person's thoughts and creativity? > I see the reasoning behind the assertion of the > intelligent design of the universe when looking at things through these > glasses however rose colored they may be. Exactly. There is no evidence of intelligent design in the universe. As far as science has been able to discern the universe is pure evolution from the most primitive form of life to the most complex. There is ample physical reason throughout evolution to conclude that it did not need intelligence to begin nor to continue. There is no more intelligent design to life than there is to gravity (the obvious pun notwithstanding.)
