I think I agree in a sense, but I've never had the impression that one
field would encompass it all. Many times, when I get into my observation
mode I get the feeling that much if not all of it could (or best would)
be represented as algorithmic systems. When looking into this, most of
the things seem rudimentary or generalized to less than useful
abstractions. My little experience in assembler and logic controls give
me a few hints toward optimization of the systems I see around. The
mental symbols to represent the systems look very little like ASM or PLC
though. I wonder if this is akin to your 'math' idea.
I've been fiddling around with the idea that the best solutions to
problems in society may in fact be algorithmic in nature, I am currently
working on a hybrid democracy/merit governance system. The plan gets
people involved in governance and community to live a more intentional
and informed life while promoting progress of society and our species.
Gas is certainly out of the question.
On 8/18/2010 4:39 PM, DarkwaterBlight wrote:
I agree that the current matthematical models are insufficient!
On Aug 18, 1:18 pm, ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote:
As useful as math is for humans, the notion that “all of our reality
must be defined mathematically” is outdated and just plain inaccurate
… at least based upon our current level of mathematics.
On Aug 18, 8:50 am, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]> wrote:
I see what you're saying here Ash and can't help but think that all of
our reality must be defined mathematically. If I fart in a public
place and call the guy next me a nasty bastard, he'll denie that he
passed gas. If I just shrug my shoulders and imply that I'm in fact
the nasty basard who done the deed the effect is the same... everyone
smells my stench and I'm still the nasty bastard. If you come to my
house for dinner and lick the plate I would't think any less of you
but please excuse yourself before passing gas or you will not be
reinvited. No one wants to smell ass at the dinner table. The point is
that we each have our own formula for relationships and when we
process the information correctly the result comes out within
reasonable tolerances.
On Aug 16, 2:48 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/9/2010 9:52 AM, Pat wrote:
I think that usage is not particularly scientific but more
colloquial. Deane answer, below, is more the scientific view. Also,
we must remember that "good person" couldn't possibly apply to those
that are not "Homo Sapiens", yet evolution applies to ALL species.
Thus, even if I train my dog to have perfect "Western" table manners,
it's still not a 'good person'--might be a great dog and a helluva
canine, but not a good person. And, of course, table manners are no
show of evolution despite the fact that there are people who display
them who feel that they are "a product of better breeding"; whereas,
in truth, it might just be better 'training' (i.e., table manners is
little more than 'stupid human tricks' and certainly doesn't
demonstrate whether or not a person is 'good' or have any bearing on
their evolution). As an aside to this and to link them together in a
sideways kind of way, I suppose the habit that Englishmen have of
'holding the knife with the right hand' whether or not the individual
is using it, MAY actually BE good evolution, as it affords them a
better chance at defending themselves if attacked whilst eating!!
I think this thread has covered habit, habitat and now habituation :),
and I agree often walking and talking like one may be a sign, but then
what is this 'duck' anyways?
Surprise a southpaw might keep the knife in the right for more practical
reasons, one might want to reserve the greatest asset to flexible use,
in a split second how many people will drop a knife for one of the
dozens of other effective weapons at a dinner table. Well the thought
crossed my mind recently when I wondered why I was cutting awkwardly
with my right. I switched for ease but was annoyed at the fact this gave
away tactical information. After consideration I decided it is best to
keep a hot cup of coffee at the table, glass plates, and preferably a
table/chairs with wooden legs and not bolted to the floor. There's large
numbers of people around, all pretending to be caught up in little
table-worlds, conspicuous consumption at it's best. Worst of all, I
can't lick my plate. :( I should stand up before leaving and do that
sometime just to see what it feels like, would I feel the cruching
anxiety of people judging me or would I feel free? I could think to
myself I feel free of judgement, while the onlookers would say look what
society is devolving into. My secret is while most people would think
this doglike behavior, I have pride in it, I remember how little most
know of dogs (people, or reality) or what it is like to starve like one.
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