Your wonderful post here, ash, is a good example of the tendency of the mind to reason and compare (so important!) Yet there are also states of consciousness, where the mind is quiet, and the reasoning and comparing of thoughts are silenced, and we are left in witness to life. All of life, each state and stage and experience is important. The question becomes, how do you prefer to experience life?
On Sep 9, 2:00 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > A butchered thoughtstream: 'Expression of anger' is a very general > statement, to be honest I think I immediately recognized (knew) the > truth of this, but hadn't understood (connections between belief and > knowledge) or believed (held fully). It took me three hours staring at > your post to see that I can do more than say I agree, but I believe and > know it to be true and I have an inkling as to why. All that time was > spent going through the oppositions. It seems my pragmatic theory of > truth has fallen to the lower, but that is a matter of seeking greater > ends anyway. > > It seems my instinct was right, when you say anger I keep thinking > mania, and Wordnet calls it an 'affective disorder' (emotional). The > only way out of cycle of degenerating trauma/damage is the same path > that builds temperance to guided passions, however to build that from > anger is going in the opposite direction and takes triggers and > recognition to build and support temperance. Perhaps the path we would > not take if not provided the challenge (journey or destination). It > takes overcoming the struggle enough to realize new levels of > consciousness and accepting the responsibility to apply it. I'm still > puzzling over whether this is for the inner or the outer > (ourselves/others), damn I keep forgetting the false dichotomy in that: > outer perceptual lens of the inner urging and pushing us forward and > toward/as one. > > The Serenity Prayer has a new meaning for me tonight. Another door has > opened. You know there is a lot left unsaid in these posts of yours. > > On 9/8/2010 4:18 PM, Molly wrote: > > > > > got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no > > difference...but do understand that this is not a level of > > consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a view of > > separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any of that > > coming back to me. I often wonder if the person acting out anger is > > even aware of what comes back. > > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, ashok tewari<[email protected]> wrote: > >> * smiling * The point, Molly, was it coming back on oneself. * tickled * > > >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> I see your point, Vam. I didn't think the act made that much > >>> difference, but I suppose it could! > >>> On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, ashok tewari<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> " ... blowing in the wind." > >>>> I suggest : ... spitting in th wind, for females. And : ... pissing in > >>> the > >>>> wind, for males ! > >>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the task to tell > >>>>> others how to express themselves. I have not found any problems with > >>>>> RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the subject), and > >>>>> like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, is there a > >>>>> gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like responses, others > >>>>> make statements reflecting our views and give links with info to back > >>>>> them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis for > >>>>> opposition. We are all free to express our views in any post within > >>>>> the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose not to post. > >>>>> But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the guidelines, > >>>>> anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here is just > >>>>> blowing in the wind. > >>>>> In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts that plague our > >>>>> minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing than indulging > >>>>> in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up short, is > >>>>> disappointing, how others should be are all malignant ego, and if > >>>>> released, leave room within us for honest self examination. Levels of > >>>>> consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, resentment etc > >>>>> multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably until our > >>>>> minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness filled with > >>>>> peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us to better > >>>>> witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. This kind > >>>>> of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned level, and > >>>>> will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the mystics will > >>>>> admit that it is human to move from state to state, and many suggest a > >>>>> spiral dynamic to the movement. > >>>>> On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from yours, Allan. ;-) > >>>>>> See what I was going to reply to Darkwater: > >>>>>> I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can speak for > >>>>>> himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? Watering down > >>>>>> everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc in time. He > >>>>>> says, his words are meant for people who want to understand them. > >>> Fair > >>>>>> enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is my advice to > >>>>>> you, Darkwater. > >>>>>> On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from different sources. > >>> it > >>>>> has > >>>>>>> been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true and because > >>> some > >>>>> people > >>>>>>> make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs still does not > >>> make > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> true. Some things are interesting to look at but then you let them > >>> go. > >>>>> To > >>>>>>> me far to many beliefs are based promoted and twisted by people to > >>> meat > >>>>>>> their own needs. > >>>>>>> Allan > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DarkwaterBlight< > >>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>>>> Oddly, I understand much of what RP is trying to express but it > >>> is > >>>>>>>> only on account of my relentless research into the subject of the > >>>>>>>> thread. Culturaly, here in the west, it is not generaly > >>> understood > >>>>>>>> that there are two truths, relative and ultimate. Relative truth > >>> can > >>>>>>>> be described by means of science and assetions can be made that > >>>>>>>> something is true or false under the conditions assigned. > >>> However, RP > >>>>>>>> speaks of ultimate truth and non dual spirit and in doing so, > >>> enters > >>>>>>>> into the realm of contradiction as the ultimate is empty of > >>> qualities > >>>>>>>> and categorizations. Ken Wilbur describes this as "The Two Truths > >>>>>>>> Doctrine" > >>>>>>>>http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm > >>>>>>>> On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Words hold so much truth and what we say is but the reflection > >>> of > >>>>> who we > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, RP Singh<[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> My words are meant for people who want to understand them , > >>> for > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> others > >>>>>>>>>> of your ilk they are just ramblings of a madman and so > >>>>>>>>> this leaves me laughing and gives a smile > >>>>>>>>> I learned a long time ago from Kipling and others to even > >>> listen > >>>>> to the > >>>>>>>>> dull and ignorant for they to have their stories. > >>>>>>>>> Allan > >>>>>>>>> Gruff , I ask you again to be happy as I did the last time when > >>> you > >>>>>>>> clashed > >>>>>>>>>> with me. > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, gruff<[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> "... On Sep 7, 9:33 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> ..." > >>>>>>>>>>>> By using words like ' I believe' etc. doesn't make one > >>> 's > >>>>> words > >>>>>>>> less > >>>>>>>>>>>> arrogant. It is the content which matters. If you have > >>> made up > >>>>> your > >>>>>>>> mind > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> find fault in me you will continue to do so on one pretext > >>> or > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> other. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and so does all > >>> else. > >>>>>>>>>>> It is hoped that by use of such phrases over time a true > >>> respect > >>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>> others will develop in other dimensions of your being. > >>> Your > >>>>> words do > >>>>>>>>>>> not show any such respect for anyone elses words but your > >>> own > >>>>> which > >>>>>>>>>>> you seem to hold in the highest esteem. Your words almost > >>>>> demand some > >>>>>>>>>>> form of worship just for you having said them. > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>>>> I_D Allan > >>>>>>>>> Be Paranoid. > >>>>>>>>> God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>> I_D Allan > >>>>>>> Be Paranoid. > >>>>>>> God is always building a better idiot!!! > >>>> -- > >>>> ASHOK TEWARI > >> -- > >> ASHOK TEWARI
