I know there was a question because I was mulling it over earlier, but
it just vanished. A dream came to mind, falling into an dark abyss and
rushing upon a large man at the bottom with arms wide open whose scream
became so terrible and penetrating that all sanity left me until I woke
in shock. I don't have an answer to that question but it is reassuring
that I may ask it of myself.
So a guy sits down at a bar and says to the bartender, 'I'm an INFJ who
doesn't trust emotions.' The bartender says, 'So what will it be?' and
the guy replies, 'Could you make a recommendation?' Now that's some
funny sh--!
On 9/9/2010 9:31 AM, Molly wrote:
Your wonderful post here, ash, is a good example of the tendency of
the mind to reason and compare (so important!) Yet there are also
states of consciousness, where the mind is quiet, and the reasoning
and comparing of thoughts are silenced, and we are left in witness to
life. All of life, each state and stage and experience is important.
The question becomes, how do you prefer to experience life?
On Sep 9, 2:00 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
A butchered thoughtstream: 'Expression of anger' is a very general
statement, to be honest I think I immediately recognized (knew) the
truth of this, but hadn't understood (connections between belief and
knowledge) or believed (held fully). It took me three hours staring at
your post to see that I can do more than say I agree, but I believe and
know it to be true and I have an inkling as to why. All that time was
spent going through the oppositions. It seems my pragmatic theory of
truth has fallen to the lower, but that is a matter of seeking greater
ends anyway.
It seems my instinct was right, when you say anger I keep thinking
mania, and Wordnet calls it an 'affective disorder' (emotional). The
only way out of cycle of degenerating trauma/damage is the same path
that builds temperance to guided passions, however to build that from
anger is going in the opposite direction and takes triggers and
recognition to build and support temperance. Perhaps the path we would
not take if not provided the challenge (journey or destination). It
takes overcoming the struggle enough to realize new levels of
consciousness and accepting the responsibility to apply it. I'm still
puzzling over whether this is for the inner or the outer
(ourselves/others), damn I keep forgetting the false dichotomy in that:
outer perceptual lens of the inner urging and pushing us forward and
toward/as one.
The Serenity Prayer has a new meaning for me tonight. Another door has
opened. You know there is a lot left unsaid in these posts of yours.
On 9/8/2010 4:18 PM, Molly wrote:
got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no
difference...but do understand that this is not a level of
consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a view of
separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any of that
coming back to me. I often wonder if the person acting out anger is
even aware of what comes back.
On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, ashok tewari<[email protected]> wrote:
* smiling * The point, Molly, was it coming back on oneself. * tickled *
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote:
I see your point, Vam. I didn't think the act made that much
difference, but I suppose it could!
On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, ashok tewari<[email protected]> wrote:
" ... blowing in the wind."
I suggest : ... spitting in th wind, for females. And : ... pissing in
the
wind, for males !
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote:
It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the task to tell
others how to express themselves. I have not found any problems with
RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the subject), and
like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, is there a
gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like responses, others
make statements reflecting our views and give links with info to back
them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis for
opposition. We are all free to express our views in any post within
the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose not to post.
But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the guidelines,
anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here is just
blowing in the wind.
In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts that plague our
minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing than indulging
in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up short, is
disappointing, how others should be are all malignant ego, and if
released, leave room within us for honest self examination. Levels of
consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, resentment etc
multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably until our
minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness filled with
peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us to better
witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. This kind
of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned level, and
will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the mystics will
admit that it is human to move from state to state, and many suggest a
spiral dynamic to the movement.
On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott<[email protected]> wrote:
Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from yours, Allan. ;-)
See what I was going to reply to Darkwater:
I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can speak for
himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? Watering down
everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc in time. He
says, his words are meant for people who want to understand them.
Fair
enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is my advice to
you, Darkwater.
On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote:
LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from different sources.
it
has
been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true and because
some
people
make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs still does not
make
it
true. Some things are interesting to look at but then you let them
go.
To
me far to many beliefs are based promoted and twisted by people to
meat
their own needs.
Allan
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DarkwaterBlight<
[email protected]>wrote:
Oddly, I understand much of what RP is trying to express but it
is
only on account of my relentless research into the subject of the
thread. Culturaly, here in the west, it is not generaly
understood
that there are two truths, relative and ultimate. Relative truth
can
be described by means of science and assetions can be made that
something is true or false under the conditions assigned.
However, RP
speaks of ultimate truth and non dual spirit and in doing so,
enters
into the realm of contradiction as the ultimate is empty of
qualities
and categorizations. Ken Wilbur describes this as "The Two Truths
Doctrine"
http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm
On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote:
Words hold so much truth and what we say is but the reflection
of
who we
are
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, RP Singh<[email protected]>
wrote:
My words are meant for people who want to understand them ,
for
the
others
of your ilk they are just ramblings of a madman and so
this leaves me laughing and gives a smile
I learned a long time ago from Kipling and others to even
listen
to the
dull and ignorant for they to have their stories.
Allan
Gruff , I ask you again to be happy as I did the last time when
you
clashed
with me.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, gruff<[email protected]>
wrote:
"... On Sep 7, 9:33 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote:
..."
By using words like ' I believe' etc. doesn't make one
's
words
less
arrogant. It is the content which matters. If you have
made up
your
mind
to
find fault in me you will continue to do so on one pretext
or
the
other.
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and so does all
else.
It is hoped that by use of such phrases over time a true
respect
for
others will develop in other dimensions of your being.
Your
words do
not show any such respect for anyone elses words but your
own
which
you seem to hold in the highest esteem. Your words almost
demand some
form of worship just for you having said them.
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Be Paranoid.
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