Ask yourself this : The more you know the more makes you stable? On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote:
> A butchered thoughtstream: 'Expression of anger' is a very general > statement, to be honest I think I immediately recognized (knew) the truth of > this, but hadn't understood (connections between belief and knowledge) or > believed (held fully). It took me three hours staring at your post to see > that I can do more than say I agree, but I believe and know it to be true > and I have an inkling as to why. All that time was spent going through the > oppositions. It seems my pragmatic theory of truth has fallen to the lower, > but that is a matter of seeking greater ends anyway. > > It seems my instinct was right, when you say anger I keep thinking mania, > and Wordnet calls it an 'affective disorder' (emotional). The only way out > of cycle of degenerating trauma/damage is the same path that builds > temperance to guided passions, however to build that from anger is going in > the opposite direction and takes triggers and recognition to build and > support temperance. Perhaps the path we would not take if not provided the > challenge (journey or destination). It takes overcoming the struggle enough > to realize new levels of consciousness and accepting the responsibility to > apply it. I'm still puzzling over whether this is for the inner or the outer > (ourselves/others), damn I keep forgetting the false dichotomy in that: > outer perceptual lens of the inner urging and pushing us forward and > toward/as one. > > The Serenity Prayer has a new meaning for me tonight. Another door has > opened. You know there is a lot left unsaid in these posts of yours. > > > On 9/8/2010 4:18 PM, Molly wrote: > >> got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no >> difference...but do understand that this is not a level of >> consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a view of >> separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any of that >> coming back to me. I often wonder if the person acting out anger is >> even aware of what comes back. >> >> On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, ashok tewari<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> * smiling * The point, Molly, was it coming back on oneself. * tickled * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I see your point, Vam. I didn't think the act made that much >>>> difference, but I suppose it could! >>>> On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, ashok tewari<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> " ... blowing in the wind." >>>>> I suggest : ... spitting in th wind, for females. And : ... pissing in >>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>> wind, for males ! >>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the task to tell >>>>>> others how to express themselves. I have not found any problems with >>>>>> RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the subject), and >>>>>> like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, is there a >>>>>> gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like responses, others >>>>>> make statements reflecting our views and give links with info to back >>>>>> them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis for >>>>>> opposition. We are all free to express our views in any post within >>>>>> the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose not to post. >>>>>> But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the guidelines, >>>>>> anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here is just >>>>>> blowing in the wind. >>>>>> In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts that plague our >>>>>> minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing than indulging >>>>>> in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up short, is >>>>>> disappointing, how others should be are all malignant ego, and if >>>>>> released, leave room within us for honest self examination. Levels of >>>>>> consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, resentment etc >>>>>> multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably until our >>>>>> minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness filled with >>>>>> peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us to better >>>>>> witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. This kind >>>>>> of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned level, and >>>>>> will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the mystics will >>>>>> admit that it is human to move from state to state, and many suggest a >>>>>> spiral dynamic to the movement. >>>>>> On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from yours, Allan. ;-) >>>>>>> See what I was going to reply to Darkwater: >>>>>>> I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can speak for >>>>>>> himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? Watering down >>>>>>> everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc in time. He >>>>>>> says, his words are meant for people who want to understand them. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fair >>>> >>>>> enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is my advice to >>>>>>> you, Darkwater. >>>>>>> On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from different sources. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> it >>>> >>>>> has >>>>>> >>>>>>> been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true and because >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> some >>>> >>>>> people >>>>>> >>>>>>> make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs still does not >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> make >>>> >>>>> it >>>>>> >>>>>>> true. Some things are interesting to look at but then you let them >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> go. >>>> >>>>> To >>>>>> >>>>>>> me far to many beliefs are based promoted and twisted by people to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> meat >>>> >>>>> their own needs. >>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DarkwaterBlight< >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Oddly, I understand much of what RP is trying to express but it >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is >>>> >>>>> only on account of my relentless research into the subject of the >>>>>>>>> thread. Culturaly, here in the west, it is not generaly >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> understood >>>> >>>>> that there are two truths, relative and ultimate. Relative truth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> can >>>> >>>>> be described by means of science and assetions can be made that >>>>>>>>> something is true or false under the conditions assigned. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, RP >>>> >>>>> speaks of ultimate truth and non dual spirit and in doing so, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> enters >>>> >>>>> into the realm of contradiction as the ultimate is empty of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> qualities >>>> >>>>> and categorizations. Ken Wilbur describes this as "The Two Truths >>>>>>>>> Doctrine" >>>>>>>>> http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm >>>>>>>>> On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Words hold so much truth and what we say is but the reflection >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of >>>> >>>>> who we >>>>>> >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, RP Singh<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My words are meant for people who want to understand them , >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for >>>> >>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of your ilk they are just ramblings of a madman and so >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> this leaves me laughing and gives a smile >>>>>>>>>> I learned a long time ago from Kipling and others to even >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> listen >>>> >>>>> to the >>>>>> >>>>>>> dull and ignorant for they to have their stories. >>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>> Gruff , I ask you again to be happy as I did the last time when >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you >>>> >>>>> clashed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> with me. >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, gruff<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "... On Sep 7, 9:33 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ..." >>>> >>>>> By using words like ' I believe' etc. doesn't make one >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 's >>>> >>>>> words >>>>>> >>>>>>> less >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> arrogant. It is the content which matters. If you have >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> made up >>>> >>>>> your >>>>>> >>>>>>> mind >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> find fault in me you will continue to do so on one pretext >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>> >>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>>> other. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and so does all >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> else. >>>> >>>>> It is hoped that by use of such phrases over time a true >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> respect >>>> >>>>> for >>>>>> >>>>>>> others will develop in other dimensions of your being. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your >>>> >>>>> words do >>>>>> >>>>>>> not show any such respect for anyone elses words but your >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> own >>>> >>>>> which >>>>>> >>>>>>> you seem to hold in the highest esteem. Your words almost >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> demand some >>>>>> >>>>>>> form of worship just for you having said them. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> ( >>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>> I_D Allan >>>>>>>>>> Be Paranoid. >>>>>>>>>> God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ( >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> I_D Allan >>>>>>>> Be Paranoid. >>>>>>>> God is always building a better idiot!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> ASHOK TEWARI >>>>> >>>> -- >>> ASHOK TEWARI >>> >> >
