I honestly can't remember! By asking the question, I am thrilled to see that, you (and perhaps others) understand that there are deeper implications to my statement. I was wondering which way the wind would blow and how it would precipitate(pun). The point I was attempting to make (by implication) is that there is usualy a cause for anger and the effect can be to different degrees. Furthermore, depending on what or who the is cause of our discord, the degree of anger can vary. Personally, I don't oft get angry but when it happens there are specific reasons, likely due to injustice as rigsy and gruff have expressed. I'm glad to see you bring the topic of linguistics back to the table also.
On Sep 9, 11:59 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > So what were you standing on last time you got pissed off? > > On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > 'They' say it is better to be pissed off than pissed on. In my world > > it depends on the dispensery. > > > On Sep 8, 9:32 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > but do understand that this is not a level of > > > consciousness for an expression of anger-mb > > > > I don't get this "anger is not a level of consciousness" when of > > > course it is a consciousness of anger in which some people spend their > > > entire lives entrenched in it. > > > > I think that you express out of your own personality which is the > > > platform from which you not only view but from which you standardize > > > the world and respond to it in that context, but it is not a general > > > rule. You can't state as if it is fact. > > > > Some people are born, live and die in a complete state of anger. For > > > some it is the extreme but still it is their level of consciousness > > > which they are confined to. > > > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no > > > > difference...but do understand that this is not a level of > > > > consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a view of > > > > separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any of that > > > > coming back to me. I often wonder if the person acting out anger is > > > > even aware of what comes back. > > > > > On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > * smiling * The point, Molly, was it coming back on oneself. * > > > > > tickled * > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I see your point, Vam. I didn't think the act made that much > > > > > > difference, but I suppose it could! > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > " ... blowing in the wind." > > > > > > > > I suggest : ... spitting in th wind, for females. And : ... > > > > > > > pissing in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > wind, for males ! > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It is interesting, in this thread, so many have taken the task > > > > > > > > to tell > > > > > > > > others how to express themselves. I have not found any > > > > > > > > problems with > > > > > > > > RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of understanding of the > > > > > > > > subject), and > > > > > > > > like gabby, don't think anyone should have to defend him, is > > > > > > > > there a > > > > > > > > gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi like responses, > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > make statements reflecting our views and give links with info > > > > > > > > to back > > > > > > > > them up. None of this is new and none of it is the basis for > > > > > > > > opposition. We are all free to express our views in any post > > > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > the parameters of the guidelines, and all free to choose not to > > > > > > > > post. > > > > > > > > But unless a moderator steps in with a reminder of the > > > > > > > > guidelines, > > > > > > > > anyone telling another what to say and how to act in here is > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > blowing in the wind. > > > > > > > > > In terms of the thread, these may be the very thoughts that > > > > > > > > plague our > > > > > > > > minds obsessively that we would be better off releasing than > > > > > > > > indulging > > > > > > > > in reaction. Thoughts about how the world comes up short, is > > > > > > > > disappointing, how others should be are all malignant ego, and > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > released, leave room within us for honest self examination. > > > > > > > > Levels of > > > > > > > > consciousness filled with thoughts of fear, anger, resentment > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > multiply these thoughts exponentially and uncontrollably until > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of consciousness > > > > > > > > filled with > > > > > > > > peace and quiet, compassion, love and gratitude allow us to > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > witness the process of thought and mind in consciousness. This > > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > of self examination cannot occur in the first mentioned level, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > will inevitably occur in the second. Truth is, even the > > > > > > > > mystics will > > > > > > > > admit that it is human to move from state to state, and many > > > > > > > > suggest a > > > > > > > > spiral dynamic to the movement. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 12:05 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a bit from yours, > > > > > > > > > Allan. ;-) > > > > > > > > > See what I was going to reply to Darkwater: > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why you are doing this, but I think RP can speak > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for himself!? Watering > > > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to build the arc in > > > > > > > > > time. He > > > > > > > > > says, his words are meant for people who want to understand > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > Fair > > > > > > > > > enough. Take what you get and leave the rest behind is my > > > > > > > > > advice to > > > > > > > > > you, Darkwater. > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is saying from different > > > > > > > > > > sources. > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > been rumbling around fo eons,, does not make it true and > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > make something dogma and doctrine of their beliefs still > > > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > true. Some things are interesting to look at but then you > > > > > > > > > > let them > > > > > > go. > > > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > > > me far to many beliefs are based promoted and twisted by > > > > > > > > > > people to > > > > > > meat > > > > > > > > > > their own needs. > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > > > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oddly, I understand much of what RP is trying to express > > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > only on account of my relentless research into the > > > > > > > > > > > subject of the > > > > > > > > > > > thread. Culturaly, here in the west, it is not generaly > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > that there are two truths, relative and ultimate. > > > > > > > > > > > Relative truth > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > be described by means of science and assetions can be > > > > > > > > > > > made that > > > > > > > > > > > something is true or false under the conditions assigned. > > > > > > However, RP > > > > > > > > > > > speaks of ultimate truth and non dual spirit and in doing > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > enters > > > > > > > > > > > into the realm of contradiction as the ultimate is empty > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > and categorizations. Ken Wilbur describes this as "The > > > > > > > > > > > Two Truths > > > > > > > > > > > Doctrine" > > > > > > > > > > >http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Words hold so much truth and what we say is but the > > > > > > > > > > > > reflection > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > who we > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20 AM, RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > My words are meant for people who want to understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > them , > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > of your ilk they are just ramblings of a madman and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > this leaves me laughing and gives a smile > > > > > > > > > > > > I learned a long time ago from Kipling and others to > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > listen > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > dull and ignorant for they to have their stories. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gruff , I ask you again to be happy as I did the last > > > > > > > > > > > > time when > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > clashed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, gruff > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "... On Sep 7, 9:33 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > ..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > By using words like ' I believe' etc. doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > make one > > > > > > 's > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > less > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > arrogant. It is the content which matters. If you > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > have > > > > > > made up > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > find fault in me you will continue to do so on one > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > pretext > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and so > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > does all > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is hoped that by use of such phrases over time a > > > > > > > > > > > > >> true > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > >> others will develop in other dimensions of your > > > > > > > > > > > > >> being. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > words do > > > > > > > > > > > > >> not show any such respect for anyone elses words but > > > > > > > > > > > > >> your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > >> you seem to hold in the highest esteem. Your words > > > > > > > > > > > > >> almost > > > > > > > > demand some > > > > > > > > > > > > >> form of worship just for you having said them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted > > > > > > > > > > > > text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ASHOK TEWARI > > > > > > -- > > > > > ASHOK TEWARI- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
