Ask yourself this : The more you know the more makes you stable?
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Ash <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
A butchered thoughtstream: 'Expression of anger' is a very
general statement, to be honest I think I immediately recognized
(knew) the truth of this, but hadn't understood (connections
between belief and knowledge) or believed (held fully). It took me
three hours staring at your post to see that I can do more than
say I agree, but I believe and know it to be true and I have an
inkling as to why. All that time was spent going through the
oppositions. It seems my pragmatic theory of truth has fallen to
the lower, but that is a matter of seeking greater ends anyway.
It seems my instinct was right, when you say anger I keep thinking
mania, and Wordnet calls it an 'affective disorder' (emotional).
The only way out of cycle of degenerating trauma/damage is the
same path that builds temperance to guided passions, however to
build that from anger is going in the opposite direction and takes
triggers and recognition to build and support temperance. Perhaps
the path we would not take if not provided the challenge (journey
or destination). It takes overcoming the struggle enough to
realize new levels of consciousness and accepting the
responsibility to apply it. I'm still puzzling over whether this
is for the inner or the outer (ourselves/others), damn I keep
forgetting the false dichotomy in that: outer perceptual lens of
the inner urging and pushing us forward and toward/as one.
The Serenity Prayer has a new meaning for me tonight. Another door
has opened. You know there is a lot left unsaid in these posts of
yours.
On 9/8/2010 4:18 PM, Molly wrote:
got it. My point is, we are blowing, and the wind...no
difference...but do understand that this is not a level of
consciousness for an expression of anger, which would be a view of
separation, so true. In which case...I wouldn't want any of that
coming back to me. I often wonder if the person acting out
anger is
even aware of what comes back.
On Sep 8, 3:18 pm, ashok tewari<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
* smiling * The point, Molly, was it coming back on
oneself. * tickled *
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Molly<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I see your point, Vam. I didn't think the act made
that much
difference, but I suppose it could!
On Sep 8, 2:43 pm, ashok tewari<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
" ... blowing in the wind."
I suggest : ... spitting in th wind, for females.
And : ... pissing in
the
wind, for males !
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM,
Molly<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It is interesting, in this thread, so many
have taken the task to tell
others how to express themselves. I have not
found any problems with
RPs posts (indeed, a great deal of
understanding of the subject), and
like gabby, don't think anyone should have to
defend him, is there a
gang forming here? Some of us make our sufi
like responses, others
make statements reflecting our views and give
links with info to back
them up. None of this is new and none of it
is the basis for
opposition. We are all free to express our
views in any post within
the parameters of the guidelines, and all free
to choose not to post.
But unless a moderator steps in with a
reminder of the guidelines,
anyone telling another what to say and how to
act in here is just
blowing in the wind.
In terms of the thread, these may be the very
thoughts that plague our
minds obsessively that we would be better off
releasing than indulging
in reaction. Thoughts about how the world
comes up short, is
disappointing, how others should be are all
malignant ego, and if
released, leave room within us for honest self
examination. Levels of
consciousness filled with thoughts of fear,
anger, resentment etc
multiply these thoughts exponentially and
uncontrollably until our
minds cannot turn off from them. Levels of
consciousness filled with
peace and quiet, compassion, love and
gratitude allow us to better
witness the process of thought and mind in
consciousness. This kind
of self examination cannot occur in the first
mentioned level, and
will inevitably occur in the second. Truth
is, even the mystics will
admit that it is human to move from state to
state, and many suggest a
spiral dynamic to the movement.
On Sep 8, 12:05 pm,
gabbydott<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Seems my vegetarian humor differs quite a
bit from yours, Allan. ;-)
See what I was going to reply to Darkwater:
I don't know why you are doing this, but I
think RP can speak for
himself. Or shall I say: Let him speak for
himself!? Watering down
everything to Ken Wilbur does not help to
build the arc in time. He
says, his words are meant for people who
want to understand them.
Fair
enough. Take what you get and leave the
rest behind is my advice to
you, Darkwater.
On 8 Sep., 17:16, iam
deheretic<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
LOL Oddly I know exactly what he is
saying from different sources.
it
has
been rumbling around fo eons,, does
not make it true and because
some
people
make something dogma and doctrine of
their beliefs still does not
make
it
true. Some things are interesting to
look at but then you let them
go.
To
me far to many beliefs are based
promoted and twisted by people to
meat
their own needs.
Allan
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM,
DarkwaterBlight<
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
Oddly, I understand much of what
RP is trying to express but it
is
only on account of my relentless
research into the subject of the
thread. Culturaly, here in the
west, it is not generaly
understood
that there are two truths,
relative and ultimate. Relative truth
can
be described by means of science
and assetions can be made that
something is true or false under
the conditions assigned.
However, RP
speaks of ultimate truth and non
dual spirit and in doing so,
enters
into the realm of contradiction as
the ultimate is empty of
qualities
and categorizations. Ken Wilbur
describes this as "The Two Truths
Doctrine"
http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptG/part1.cfm
On Sep 8, 5:04 am, iam
deheretic<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Words hold so much truth and
what we say is but the reflection
of
who we
are
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:20
AM, RP Singh<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
My words are meant for
people who want to
understand them ,
for
the
others
of your ilk they are just
ramblings of a madman and so
this leaves me laughing and
gives a smile
I learned a long time ago from
Kipling and others to even
listen
to the
dull and ignorant for they to
have their stories.
Allan
Gruff , I ask you again to be
happy as I did the last time when
you
clashed
with me.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at
10:21 AM,
gruff<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
"... On Sep 7, 9:33
pm, RP
Singh<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
..."
By using words
like ' I believe'
etc. doesn't make one
's
words
less
arrogant. It is
the content which
matters. If you have
made up
your
mind
to
find fault in me
you will continue
to do so on one
pretext
or
the
other.
Beauty lies in the
eyes of the
beholder and so
does all
else.
It is hoped that by
use of such phrases
over time a true
respect
for
others will develop in
other dimensions of
your being.
Your
words do
not show any such
respect for anyone
elses words but your
own
which
you seem to hold in
the highest esteem.
Your words almost
demand some
form of worship just
for you having said them.
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