My point , Jean , is that one can be good without religion getting into it , and even a religious person can be bad inspite of his faith.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Jean Briscoe <[email protected]>wrote: > So what is your point? I will say this. When this happens that > christain's do this they and there children go through alot. It is not so > when they ask forgiveness and everything is ukie dory the forgiveness is > given and they swallow their pride and clean up the mess hopefully. And I > will say it is not a good example for other's. Lust and unhappiness. That > ole saying it is not greener on the other side. Some christains marry into > abuse,some do it out of lust and some or blind and think they know about God > and some find about just what it means that you are only human and step away > from God's . Because you are a christain does not mean > you will not fall, but when you fall get back up and by grace of God. Just > as if you was not a Christain,such as some other belief you find you get a > little dirt on you as you go. > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:59 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> When I am talking about vice it is about religious people and what they >> consider to be vice , e.g. A christian would indulge in extra-marital sex >> and then ask God's forgiveness for it. What I mean is that religious people >> are breaking the rules of their own religion all the time and later asking >> their God by means of prayer or otherwise to forgive them. >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It all sounds exactly like what I'm saying except for the part about >>> asking a god's forgiveness. >>> Who are you and who is society to judge what is vice? How can anyone >>> know what their god deems to be vice except by the "books" written by >>> "people" in ancient times? Don't you see how ridiculous that is? >>> >>> On Sep 13, 11:30 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > A person can have a humanitarian mindset regardless of religion. You >>> don't >>> > have to believe in God to be good , you can have a feeling of >>> responsibility >>> > towards society and consider it your duty towards it and do what is >>> good >>> > for you and the others. Patriots need not be religious , yet they feel >>> a >>> > great responsibility towards their country. There are so many motives >>> for a >>> > man to do good to others irrespective of religion. On the other hand >>> people >>> > are known to indulge in vice and ask God's forgiveness later. >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > Sure, "helping is primal". But the Jihadist, having a different >>> > > theology than the Christian, believes he is helping you by converting >>> > > you to Islam by the sword. Not so the Christian, for whom religion is >>> > > the "The voluntary subjection of oneself to God". >>> > >>> > > The island of atheists? Sure, they'd "help others" for some >>> definition >>> > > of "help" and "others". I know something about the Christian command >>> > > to love my neighbor but don't know the official atheist dogma on >>> > > helping others. If one acted like there were no God why would he >>> > > think he has any duty to help others? >>> > >>> > > On Sep 12, 8:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > AW; >>> > > > Yes there is............. >>> > > > I'll refer you to rigsy's sept. 6 10:15 am post as to my "theistic >>> > > > religiosity" comment. >>> > >>> > > > Also, people use therapy and AA like a religion- in fact, they >>> "use" a >>> > > > lot of things in lieu of religion. What about jingoism? <<<rigsy >>> > >>> > > > Do you think no one would help anyone else on an island of atheists >>> > > > because they didn't have a religion to tell them to do so? >>> Helping >>> > > > is primal and innate as nurturing; religion and faith is human >>> > > > construct and not necessity. >>> >> >> >
