I'd like it more if I knew what you were talking about. Can you elaborate more on your idea? Please! Thank You!
On Sep 22, 10:52 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > How do you like: for betterment's sake? > > On 21 Sep., 12:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You should get some rest Ash, sleep well. I can assure you the nature > > and content of this thread and posts are not corollary to your > > thoughts. The subject matter has been tossed, ping ponged and has > > made numerous spherical revolutions around the ME globe over the past > > several years. It is more likely that it is coincidental; for what > > purpose or intent would it server otherwise? > > > On Sep 21, 2:43 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Just a quick reprieve for me here. Slip, you have impeccable timing, I > > > was reading up on OTO a few nights ago. This sort of thing happens a lot > > > here, perhaps there is some higher 'power' in effect? It usually takes > > > about a week for people to begin spontaneously mentioning things on my > > > mind. :p > > > > Mayhaps had meant OTOH (on the other hand), well apply that > > > retroactively to this post too. I'll leave you fine gents to your > > > devices, and I, to sleep... > > > > On 9/18/2010 9:51 PM, Slip Disc wrote: > > > > > Well I think we both reached the same conclusion in previous times. > > > > John chapter 6 is quite the story but I'd be hard pressed to believe > > > > that these events actually took place beyond the metaphor and allegory > > > > that is consistent with biblical stories. For some strange reason > > > > people have a need to believe things that are beyond our mundane > > > > existence. But the real problem for me it that these things have > > > > never existed beyond the age of antiquity. We have nothing today to > > > > indicate validity of these events, therefore it is laid in the matter > > > > of choice category of religious belief. I have to say, and not to > > > > offend, but these beliefs are no different from the beliefs of other > > > > primitive and nomadic peoples. If at any given time you told those > > > > people their carved out of rock god was bullshit they would cut off > > > > your head and feed you body to the dogs. You my friend are of the > > > > same kind, dug in deep with a belief based on the ancients. What did > > > > those people really know? What did they actually see? Were there no > > > > such things as scams back then? > > > > You still believe in a man god, something that was created out of the > > > > imaginations of humanity. Books are a product of the human mind, a > > > > creation out of the utilization of natural resource, paper and pen. > > > > It might be half believable if it weren't for the fact that millions > > > > of other people in the world have their own man god stories. Have you > > > > talked to a Hassidic Jew lately, a Muslim, a Tibetan, Buddhist or any > > > > of the other non-catholic or christian believers? > > > > > OTO? > > > > Is that Ordo Templi Orientis? > > > > > On Sep 18, 8:01 pm, Alan Wostenberg<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Sep 13, 7:25 pm, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote:> You actually > > > >> believe all those stories? > > > > >> Of course I believe John Chapter 6. And of course you do not! And so > > > >> we necessarily have /different/ ideas of the nature of man and what > > > >> is really good for man. > > > > >> One who believes man is created in the image by God, laid low by sin, > > > >> in need of a Savor, will take a certain definite view on what is good > > > >> for man. OTO one who believes man is a swarm of particles has a > > > >> different view of the matter. > > > > >>> It is a book alan, paper and pen, stories, allegory and metaphor. > > > >>> Quoting scripture is merely quoting a storyline. The bible is full to > > > >>> the brim with contradiction and conflict. The old testament is full > > > >>> of atrocity and vengeance, bloodshed, rape and murder by the command, > > > >>> jurisdiction or under the auspices of the loving god. Then there were > > > >>> 400 years without a word, the Romans were brutal and so was needed a > > > >>> savior, and so one was born but who would believe it if it were born > > > >>> like everyone else so only a virgin birth would do. And so the god > > > >>> father in a demonstration of his love for humanity has his 'only' son > > > >>> brutally tortured and killed. Wow, oh I forgot, that was because of > > > >>> our sins, the sins we were born with. And now people have to give up > > > >>> 10% of their earnings to the people who keep these stories alive or > > > >>> else fire and brimstone. Great story! > > > >>> On Sep 13, 4:55 pm, Alan Wostenberg<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> "By what means did the christian faith corner the market on knowing > > > >>>> what > > > >>>> is good for man?". By Christ the Lord, who said some pretty startling > > > >>>> things on the topic, such as "I am the way and the truth and the > > > >>>> life. > > > >>>> No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 8:6). > > > >>>> And of course in John Chapter 6 v. 48, we learn from the Inventor of > > > >>>> food about Real Food: > > > >>>> "I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, > > > >>>> but they died;this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that > > > >>>> one may eat it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from > > > >>>> heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that > > > >>>> I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." > > > >>>> The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give > > > >>>> us > > > >>>> (his) flesh to eat?" Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, > > > >>>> unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you > > > >>>> do > > > >>>> not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood > > > >>>> has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day." > > > >>>> On Sep 13, 1:21 pm, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>> As much as I can agree with much of what you say, and am a non- > > > >>>>> christian believer in Christ... I am having a hard time digesting > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>> 'meat' of you statement which is contained in the last sentance. By > > > >>>>> what means did the christian faith corner the market on knowing what > > > >>>>> is good for man? You must be reffering to the 'Pauline' brand of > > > >>>>> modern soothesayers that claim to follow Christ. The likes of wich > > > >>>>> would say to the starving man; "God bless you in the name of Jesus, > > > >>>>> I'll pray for you!" and not help the man's hunger or his condition. > > > >>>>> On Sep 13, 1:39 pm, Alan Wostenberg<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>> Yes, you "can have a feeling of responsibility towards society and > > > >>>>>> consider it your duty towards it and do what is good for you and > > > >>>>>> the > > > >>>>>> others". But what have feelings to do with doing good? > > > >>>>>> A man comes upon a starving man, knowing little about human nature, > > > >>>>>> offers him a good thick steak and a glass of wine. But the starving > > > >>>>>> man cannot digest the food. The first man had a sincere "feeling of > > > >>>>>> responsibility", and really wanted to "do what is good for the > > > >>>>>> other", > > > >>>>>> but utterly botched it, because he is ignorant of what is really > > > >>>>>> good > > > >>>>>> for the other man. > > > >>>>>> No doubt those with a "humanitarian mindset" mean well, and act in > > > >>>>>> accord with what they believe is good for fellow humans, just like > > > >>>>>> the > > > >>>>>> Jihadist, or the mercy killer who euthanizes the sick patient, or > > > >>>>>> the > > > >>>>>> abortionist, or Hitler. Everybody does what he /believes/ to be > > > >>>>>> good > > > >>>>>> for his fellow man. But only those who /know/ what is good for > > > >>>>>> their > > > >>>>>> neighbor can consistently deliver. > > > >>>>>> On the Christian view, if we do not know Christ, we do not know > > > >>>>>> what > > > >>>>>> man is, so it is quite impossible to do good for man, except by > > > >>>>>> accident. > > > >>>>>> On Sep 13, 10:30 am, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> A person can have a humanitarian mindset regardless of religion. > > > >>>>>>> You don't > > > >>>>>>> have to believe in God to be good , you can have a feeling of > > > >>>>>>> responsibility > > > >>>>>>> towards society and consider it your duty towards it and do what > > > >>>>>>> is good > > > >>>>>>> for you and the others. Patriots need not be religious , yet they > > > >>>>>>> feel a > > > >>>>>>> great responsibility towards their country. There are so many > > > >>>>>>> motives for a > > > >>>>>>> man to do good to others irrespective of religion. On the other > > > >>>>>>> hand people > > > >>>>>>> are known to indulge in vice and ask God's forgiveness later. > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan > > > >>>>>>> Wostenberg<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> Sure, "helping is primal". But the Jihadist, having a different > > > >>>>>>>> theology than the Christian, believes he is helping you by > > > >>>>>>>> converting > > > >>>>>>>> you to Islam by the sword. Not so the Christian, for whom > > > >>>>>>>> religion is > > > >>>>>>>> the "The voluntary subjection of oneself to God". > > > >>>>>>>> The island of atheists? Sure, they'd "help others" for some > > > >>>>>>>> definition > > > >>>>>>>> of "help" and "others". I know something about the Christian > > > >>>>>>>> command > > > >>>>>>>> to love my neighbor but don't know the official atheist dogma on > > > >>>>>>>> helping others. If one acted like there were no God why would he > > > >>>>>>>> think he has any duty to help others? > > > >>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 8:28 am, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> AW; > > > >>>>>>>>> Yes there is............. > > > >>>>>>>>> I'll refer you to rigsy's sept. 6 10:15 am post as to my > > > >>>>>>>>> "theistic > > > >>>>>>>>> religiosity" comment. > > > >>>>>>>>> Also, people use therapy and AA like a religion- in fact, they > > > >>>>>>>>> "use" a > > > >>>>>>>>> lot of things in lieu of religion. What about jingoism?<<<rigsy > > > >>>>>>>>> Do you think no one would help anyone else on an island of > > > >>>>>>>>> atheists > > > >>>>>>>>> because they didn't have a religion to tell them to do so? > > > >>>>>>>>> Helping > > > >>>>>>>>> is primal and innate as nurturing; religion and faith is human > > > >>>>>>>>> construct and not > > ... > > read more »
