Hell, no! What a small world this would be! The universe is expanding!
On 23 Sep., 00:37, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > It is all about interpretive reference no? The subjective knowledge > of a consistent absolute? > > On Sep 22, 4:42 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Haha. That would have been the "for my betterment's sake" variant you > > are asking for. I thought "Minds Eye" was a place where the effects of > > collaborative word exchanges could somehow be made visible. For the > > better. I had forgotten the "for the worse" variant. That's why I was > > asking. > > > On 22 Sep., 19:23, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'd like it more if I knew what you were talking about. > > > Can you elaborate more on your idea? Please! > > > Thank You! > > > > On Sep 22, 10:52 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > How do you like: for betterment's sake? > > > > > On 21 Sep., 12:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You should get some rest Ash, sleep well. I can assure you the nature > > > > > and content of this thread and posts are not corollary to your > > > > > thoughts. The subject matter has been tossed, ping ponged and has > > > > > made numerous spherical revolutions around the ME globe over the past > > > > > several years. It is more likely that it is coincidental; for what > > > > > purpose or intent would it server otherwise? > > > > > > On Sep 21, 2:43 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Just a quick reprieve for me here. Slip, you have impeccable > > > > > > timing, I > > > > > > was reading up on OTO a few nights ago. This sort of thing happens > > > > > > a lot > > > > > > here, perhaps there is some higher 'power' in effect? It usually > > > > > > takes > > > > > > about a week for people to begin spontaneously mentioning things on > > > > > > my > > > > > > mind. :p > > > > > > > Mayhaps had meant OTOH (on the other hand), well apply that > > > > > > retroactively to this post too. I'll leave you fine gents to your > > > > > > devices, and I, to sleep... > > > > > > > On 9/18/2010 9:51 PM, Slip Disc wrote: > > > > > > > > Well I think we both reached the same conclusion in previous > > > > > > > times. > > > > > > > John chapter 6 is quite the story but I'd be hard pressed to > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > that these events actually took place beyond the metaphor and > > > > > > > allegory > > > > > > > that is consistent with biblical stories. For some strange reason > > > > > > > people have a need to believe things that are beyond our mundane > > > > > > > existence. But the real problem for me it that these things have > > > > > > > never existed beyond the age of antiquity. We have nothing today > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > indicate validity of these events, therefore it is laid in the > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > of choice category of religious belief. I have to say, and not to > > > > > > > offend, but these beliefs are no different from the beliefs of > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > primitive and nomadic peoples. If at any given time you told > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > people their carved out of rock god was bullshit they would cut > > > > > > > off > > > > > > > your head and feed you body to the dogs. You my friend are of the > > > > > > > same kind, dug in deep with a belief based on the ancients. What > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > those people really know? What did they actually see? Were > > > > > > > there no > > > > > > > such things as scams back then? > > > > > > > You still believe in a man god, something that was created out of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > imaginations of humanity. Books are a product of the human mind, > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > creation out of the utilization of natural resource, paper and > > > > > > > pen. > > > > > > > It might be half believable if it weren't for the fact that > > > > > > > millions > > > > > > > of other people in the world have their own man god stories. > > > > > > > Have you > > > > > > > talked to a Hassidic Jew lately, a Muslim, a Tibetan, Buddhist or > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > of the other non-catholic or christian believers? > > > > > > > > OTO? > > > > > > > Is that Ordo Templi Orientis? > > > > > > > > On Sep 18, 8:01 pm, Alan Wostenberg<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Sep 13, 7:25 pm, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote:> You > > > > > > >> actually believe all those stories? > > > > > > > >> Of course I believe John Chapter 6. And of course you do not! > > > > > > >> And so > > > > > > >> we necessarily have /different/ ideas of the nature of man and > > > > > > >> what > > > > > > >> is really good for man. > > > > > > > >> One who believes man is created in the image by God, laid low by > > > > > > >> sin, > > > > > > >> in need of a Savor, will take a certain definite view on what > > > > > > >> is good > > > > > > >> for man. OTO one who believes man is a swarm of particles has a > > > > > > >> different view of the matter. > > > > > > > >>> It is a book alan, paper and pen, stories, allegory and > > > > > > >>> metaphor. > > > > > > >>> Quoting scripture is merely quoting a storyline. The bible is > > > > > > >>> full to > > > > > > >>> the brim with contradiction and conflict. The old testament is > > > > > > >>> full > > > > > > >>> of atrocity and vengeance, bloodshed, rape and murder by the > > > > > > >>> command, > > > > > > >>> jurisdiction or under the auspices of the loving god. Then > > > > > > >>> there were > > > > > > >>> 400 years without a word, the Romans were brutal and so was > > > > > > >>> needed a > > > > > > >>> savior, and so one was born but who would believe it if it were > > > > > > >>> born > > > > > > >>> like everyone else so only a virgin birth would do. And so the > > > > > > >>> god > > > > > > >>> father in a demonstration of his love for humanity has his > > > > > > >>> 'only' son > > > > > > >>> brutally tortured and killed. Wow, oh I forgot, that was > > > > > > >>> because of > > > > > > >>> our sins, the sins we were born with. And now people have to > > > > > > >>> give up > > > > > > >>> 10% of their earnings to the people who keep these stories > > > > > > >>> alive or > > > > > > >>> else fire and brimstone. Great story! > > > > > > >>> On Sep 13, 4:55 pm, Alan Wostenberg<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> "By what means did the christian faith corner the market on > > > > > > >>>> knowing > > > > > > >>>> what > > > > > > >>>> is good for man?". By Christ the Lord, who said some pretty > > > > > > >>>> startling > > > > > > >>>> things on the topic, such as "I am the way and the truth and > > > > > > >>>> the life. > > > > > > >>>> No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 8:6). > > > > > > >>>> And of course in John Chapter 6 v. 48, we learn from the > > > > > > >>>> Inventor of > > > > > > >>>> food about Real Food: > > > > > > >>>> "I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the > > > > > > >>>> desert, > > > > > > >>>> but they died;this is the bread that comes down from heaven so > > > > > > >>>> that > > > > > > >>>> one may eat it and not die. I am the living bread that came > > > > > > >>>> down from > > > > > > >>>> heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the > > > > > > >>>> bread that > > > > > > >>>> I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." > > > > > > >>>> The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man > > > > > > >>>> give us > > > > > > >>>> (his) flesh to eat?" Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to > > > > > > >>>> you, > > > > > > >>>> unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his > > > > > > >>>> blood, you do > > > > > > >>>> not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my > > > > > > >>>> blood > > > > > > >>>> has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day." > > > > > > >>>> On Sep 13, 1:21 pm, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> As much as I can agree with much of what you say, and am a > > > > > > >>>>> non- > > > > > > >>>>> christian believer in Christ... I am having a hard time > > > > > > >>>>> digesting the > > > > > > >>>>> 'meat' of you statement which is contained in the last > > > > > > >>>>> sentance. By > > > > > > >>>>> what means did the christian faith corner the market on > > > > > > >>>>> knowing what > > > > > > >>>>> is good for man? You must be reffering to the 'Pauline' brand > > > > > > >>>>> of > > > > > > >>>>> modern soothesayers that claim to follow Christ. The likes of > > > > > > >>>>> wich > > > > > > >>>>> would say to the starving man; "God bless you in the name of > > > > > > >>>>> Jesus, > > > > > > >>>>> I'll pray for you!" and not help the man's hunger or his > > > > > > >>>>> condition. > > > > > > >>>>> On Sep 13, 1:39 pm, Alan Wostenberg<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> Yes, you "can have a feeling of responsibility towards > > > > > > >>>>>> society and > > > > > > >>>>>> consider it your duty towards it and do what is good for you > > > > > > >>>>>> and the > > > > > > >>>>>> others". But what have feelings to do with doing good? > > > > > > >>>>>> A man comes upon a starving man, knowing little about human > > > > > > >>>>>> nature, > > > > > > >>>>>> offers him a good thick steak and a glass of wine. But the > > > > > > >>>>>> starving > > > > > > >>>>>> man cannot digest the food. The first man had a sincere > > > > > > >>>>>> "feeling of > > > > > > >>>>>> responsibility", and really wanted to "do what is good for > > > > > > >>>>>> the other", > > > > > > >>>>>> but utterly botched it, because he is ignorant of what is > > > > > > >>>>>> really good > > > > > > >>>>>> for the other man. > > > > > > >>>>>> No doubt those with a "humanitarian mindset" mean well, and > > > > > > >>>>>> act in > > > > > > >>>>>> accord with what they believe is good for fellow humans, > > > > > > >>>>>> just like the > > > > > > >>>>>> Jihadist, or the mercy killer who euthanizes the sick > > > > > > >>>>>> patient, or the > > > > > > >>>>>> abortionist, or Hitler. Everybody does what he /believes/ to > > > > > > >>>>>> be good > > > > > > >>>>>> for his fellow man. But only those who /know/ what is good > > > > > > >>>>>> for their > > > > > > >>>>>> neighbor can consistently deliver. > > > > > > >>>>>> On the Christian view, if we do not know Christ, we do not > > > > > > >>>>>> know what > > > > > > >>>>>> man is, so it is quite impossible to do good for man, except > > > > > > >>>>>> by > > > > > > >>>>>> accident. > > > > > > >>>>>> On Sep 13, 10:30 am, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>> A person can have a humanitarian mindset regardless of > > > > > > >>>>>>> religion. You don't > > > > > > >>>>>>> have to believe in God to be good , you can have a feeling > > > > > > >>>>>>> of responsibility > > > > > > >>>>>>> towards society and consider it your duty towards it and > > > > > > >>>>>>> do what is good > > > > > > >>>>>>> for you and the others. Patriots need not be religious , > > > > > > >>>>>>> yet they feel a > > > > > > >>>>>>> great responsibility towards their country. There are so > > > > > > >>>>>>> many motives for a > > > > > > >>>>>>> man to do good to others irrespective of religion. On the > > > > > > >>>>>>> other hand people > > > > > > >>>>>>> are known to indulge in vice and ask God's forgiveness > > > > > > >>>>>>> later. > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr »
