" What is left is the dot, the realization we are not that big here, we
are microscopic."

Funnily enough, Slip, a human being might be less than nanoscopic along that
scale. But ... and this isn't merely funny ... that, each nano point ( such
as Carl Sagan ) has the consciousness with capacity to include the terra -
terra - terra ... universe within itself !

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:

> Strip it of the prose, the depth even, down to it's basic core.  What
> is left is the dot, the realization we are not that big here, we are
> microscopic.  Next comes the fact that it 'is' the only place we know
> of that human life has taken place.   The lives that have run the
> course from the first to the present despite the range of peace and
> brutality simply indicate our need to make change.  We need to change
> as a species.  In the thousands of years of human history we still
> have the same things going on, fighting and killing each other; its
> almost all we've ever really learned and learned well.   We started
> throwing rocks and fighting with sticks; now we're setting off bombs
> for more efficient mass killing.
> Much could be said about the cooperation of a dozen mixed culture
> people on a deserted island with limited resources.   But globally we
> don't think that way because we have all established our own islands
> and resources, dislike and distrust the presence of intruders and
> worse have a drive to attain others islands and resources in order to
> create empires.
> If it is depressing it is not on account of Sagan's presentation as
> other presentations point to the same scenario.  We could simply watch
> world news and see it for ourselves; we could put together our own
> presentation.
> Fact is we are here, consciously and aware and share a physicality and
> that is why we 'bother at all'.   The moments of joy are what make
> life worth living, especially those prolonged moments and long periods
> of extended happiness that many of us experience.   If only there were
> a synchronicity element to life where all of humanity simultaneously,
> absorbed the essence and came to the same conclusion after reading the
> presentation.  Don't forget, regardless of your gloom and somber
> reflection you did 'bother' up until now.  You can bother to reply if
> you want; I'll be less joyful if you don't and others might wonder why
> you didn't.  Think about it.
>
> On Sep 24, 7:20 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > At first, I admired his prose/argument but then found it depressing.
> > Why bother at all?
> >
> > On Sep 23, 7:36 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Oops!  Try again:
> >
> > > Rigsy, I must inject this piece of what think is pertinent to a
> > > portion of our interaction, if not of the whole.
> > > Only because we all find so much significance to this world,
> > > to this life when in all actuality it is so much the opposite. This is
> > > from a speech Carl Sagan made at Cornell University on Oct. 13, 1994
> > > based on a photo from Voyager I in 1990 and also the title of Sagan's
> > > 1994 book. "Pale Blue Dot".
> >
> > > Carl Sagan:
> > > From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of
> > > particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that
> > > dot. That's here, that's home, that's us. On it everyone you love,
> > > everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who
> > > ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and
> > > suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic
> > > doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every
> > > creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every
> > > young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor
> > > and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every
> > > "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the
> > > history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a
> > > sunbeam.
> >
> > > The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the
> > > rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in
> > > glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a
> > > fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the
> > > inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely
> > > distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their
> > > misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent
> > > their hatreds.
> >
> > > Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we
> > > have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this
> > > point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great
> > > enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there
> > > is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from
> > > ourselves.
> >
> > > The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is
> > > nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could
> > > migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment
> > > the Earth is where we make our stand.
> >
> > > It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building
> > > experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of
> > > human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it
> > > underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another,
> > > and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've
> > > ever known.
> >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > But truthfully Rids, this photo, for me, has an enormous impact on the
> > > consciousness. To imagine that all of this is taking place on a spec
> > > of dust in the universe.
> >
> > >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123614938
> >
> > > Of course it begs the question "why?"
> >
> > > It is ultimately a study in consciousness.  IMHO  (take out the humble
> > > part)  LOL




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ASHOK TEWARI

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