Hey Rigsy, you sound eliteish and snobby? Naaa I did not think so. Massive FYI in this instance means that I am the oldest of 16 children.
On Jan 1, 4:03 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes- we do sink into our own experience and understanding and I am > sorry if my question sounded elitish or snobbish because that was not > its intent. In the back of my mind were the family farms that are no > longer able to compete with corporations or the miserable property > taxes for those who have retired, lost jobs, etc. Money is moveable- > land/property is not so sometimes one feels captive. > > I learned more being broke- it really spurred creativity and a healthy > survival instinct. My library card was my "credit card". Again, those > years at a boarding school taught some valuable lessons regarding a > simple life that was in total contrast to my parent's lifestyle. I > pretty much depend on my children learning how to be self-sufficient > though that has had some consequences- but mostly positive. > > But we are not captains of our own ships, are we? > > When I think of dire straits, I think of Pakistan floods or Haiti's > earthquake or Austrailia's floods, etc. It is Nature that seems the > harshest foe to come up against. > > My parents came from large (what is "massive" :-) ) families and they > were the "success stories"- except for all the unhappiness- but that > is another story. > > Anyway- good for you and your own journey! > > On Dec 31 2010, 7:14 am, "[email protected]" > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > What has happend to the concept of family fortunes? I think that > > concept is still strong, alive and kicking in those who's family have > > had money for generations. > > > Myself I come from a massive family, and because it is massive it is > > also poor. I grew up in real poverty and so as you might expect I > > have worked hard, and now findmyself quite well off indeed thank you > > very much. > > > From my POV, and I would guess my feelings are similar to those from a > > similar background, the lesson for my kids is work hard to get what > > you desire. So when it comes to inherantance they will be gettting a > > little, but the majority I'll probaly leave to charity. > > > That is the thing with concepts, we will view them differant dependant > > on our view which of course comes larglye from our upbring and lifes > > experiances. > > > On Dec 31, 12:52 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What has happened to the concept of family fortunes and the desire to > > > provide for future progeny? It's become a pariah within the liberal- > > > socialist agenda of equalizing the population. My feeling is if > > > someone earns the money it is his-after taxes. tithing or whatever his > > > nature or conscience drive him to distribute. It is not the public's > > > business to determine how others spend their money- most likely it > > > springs from envy- however, the government's greed and waste are valid > > > concerns. > > > > On Dec 28, 5:05 pm, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 22, 5:35 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > You've had enough? Have people been calling you greedy and you > > > > > disagree with them? > > > > > No, just wanted some clarification on the use of the word is all. > > > > > > Greed is the desire for more than you need. You are correct I think, > > > > > that ones needs can only really be suitably defined by the person in > > > > > need. Art I think must be treated differanlty than say food. > > > > > > If you have enough food and yet desire more, this is greed, easpecily > > > > > when you have so much that most gets wasted. > > > > > > Perhaps then we should talk in terms of supply and waste. If it your > > > > > goal to accumilate so much money that you cannot hope to spend it all > > > > > in your lifetime, then I would also call that greed. So intent, > > > > > supply, and waste. > > > > > Sounds reasonable. > > > > > > On Dec 12, 9:55 am, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The word “greed” is tossed out so often and it always intrigues me > > > > > > just what people mean by it. Just what is “greed?” Some people (no > > > > > > names) toss this word off their fingertips all the time and frankly > > > > > > I > > > > > > HAVE HAD ENOUGH. > > > > > > > Webster defines this word as… > > > > > > : a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) > > > > > > than > > > > > > is needed. > > > > > > > Ok, let’s take a more careful look at that definition. Let’s say a > > > > > > very rich person spends a million dollars on a painting that he just > > > > > > loves. He thinks this painting is so remarkable, so beautiful, that > > > > > > he is willing to buy it for a million dollars so he can look at it > > > > > > every day in his house. Me personally? I would never spend a > > > > > > million dollars on a painting, but that is just me. That painting, > > > > > > or > > > > > > ANY painting, is not something I am interested in buying at that > > > > > > price, even if I was filthy rich. But the things that I buy would > > > > > > curl your hair as they might seem so “strange” to YOU, but not to > > > > > > me. > > > > > > Everybody is different, and this is a very important thing to > > > > > > consider. NOBODY can judge what another person finds important, > > > > > > interesting, beautiful, desirable, or worthwhile. (Just look at > > > > > > your > > > > > > hairstyle…smily thingee goes here) > > > > > > > The question is…is that greed? I don’t think so. Is buying > > > > > > anything > > > > > > that one does not “need” greed? Hell no! you better check your > > > > > > inventory of your life if that is the case, you would find that > > > > > > every > > > > > > human on earth is greedy, and therefore the definition is rendered > > > > > > meaningless. The definition clearly states “an EXCESSIVE desire for > > > > > > MORE of SOMETHING” > > > > > > > This says to me that greed is only achieved when you already HAVE > > > > > > “enough” of this particular “thing” and yet you want more anyway. > > > > > > You > > > > > > want more than you can actually “benefit” from because you already > > > > > > have “it” THAT is greed. When you “hoard” something for no > > > > > > reason, > > > > > > and NOT when you simply “want” something that you don’t have. > > > > > > Wanting > > > > > > something IS NOT GREED. Get that through your fricking head. > > > > > > Wanting > > > > > > something that is not “needed” is not greed. Wanting something you > > > > > > already have plenty of is greed. > > > > > > > Which brings us, inevitably, to money. Money can be turned into > > > > > > ANYTHING, so one cannot say that you have a quantity of this > > > > > > particular one “thing” that meets the classic definition of greed, > > > > > > UNTIL YOU CLARIFY IT. It is not “one thing” it is “anything I can > > > > > > think of” so it must be treated slightly differently. Now, if you > > > > > > want a billion dollars but your actual, realistic “wants and needs” > > > > > > are only a million dollars, then you are greedy. But if you have > > > > > > reasonable plans for every single dollar? THAT IS NOT GREED, THAT IS > > > > > > PERFECTLY NORMAL GODDAMIT.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
