Hey Pat, I did wonder when you would put in an apperance.
Yep I had the same thought you know. When we talk of human conciousness we are talking basicly an electrical impulse, can the same be said of a bodyless God? What then is meant by the conciousness of God? Myself I sometimes use this word (conciousness) when talking about Gods 'essance' or 'spirit'. In order to show that whatever it is, it needs to be understood that it does not consit of matter, and when I say matter I also mean energy, that is nothing that was not present before the creation. Again personaly speaking I have no problems seeing God as the original cause. To ask what then caused God is meaningless, to my mind. On Mar 1, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mar 1, 11:27 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Have you ever read the 'Conversations with God' Books? > > > It's auother suggests much the same and gives a reason fro the > > creation. Thusly: > > > Gods knowledge is perfect but what is knowledge without experiance, > > and so 'let there be light' and the creation was created. For God to > > experiance. > > While, in principle, I agree, the proposition states no methodology-- > no mechanism--for getting from point A (nothing) to point B > (something). There needs to be a mechanism, even for a God, to get > something from nothing. Alternatively, Clayton's proposition is > slightly better in that it doesn't propose that there WAS a nothing, > per se, rather , that the nothing was, in fact, a something. > Nevertheless, what is lacking THERE is what IS this something that was > nothing? I already know the answer myself, but I thought I'd throw > out the questions to help eke it out of Clayton. Consciousness is a > great fall back, but of what does it consist? What is the underlying > 'substance'? Again, I already know the answer, but would like Clayton > to give it some thought. > > > > > On Feb 27, 9:51 pm, Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Before there was anything in our universe there was nothing, but how > > > could something come to exist from nothing. Nothing must be something > > > right? > > > > Not in my theory. > > > > My theory is that there is always an infinite amount of nothing > > > outside of something and that something is continually produced > > > wherever there is nothing. What that something is, is the conscience > > > of an unborn universe, and these consciences are also continually > > > being produced. Our universe was at one time one of those unborn > > > universes, but something happened. Just as it does for all unborn > > > universes. It’s conscience began to think, but what would the > > > conscience of nothing think about? It would think about what it is, > > > because it wouldn't know, and this thought would continually build up > > > in the conscience until it was so compressed that the pressure would > > > cause the conscience to explode into a big bang. What I am saying is > > > that thought is the first form of energy that has ever existed, and > > > that everything in our universe is just another form of this energy. > > > > I believe that the energy, that is everything in our Universe is the > > > God of our universe, and that God has always known everything there is > > > to know about the universe. In the beginning God’s knowledge was very > > > limited, but now it is very complex because everything that has been > > > created from that original thought energy is an extension of Gods > > > consciousness, even ourselves. However, I believe that all things that > > > exists also have their own conscience. Everything, from the smallest > > > particle on up to the entire universe. It’s just a matter of how > > > closely you look. I’ll use a rock as an example, because I came up > > > with my theory while I was in the woods on my land enjoying nature and > > > there was this huge beautiful rock, and it was almost as if I could > > > see into it and see its conscience. It was like me and the rock were > > > interacting. Now, when I stepped away from the rock and went up to my > > > car that was parked at the top of my land I could see my entire piece > > > of land and I could see that it was all working together as one > > > conscience. I see it on an even larger scale when I look at the night > > > sky. After this experience I came to the conclusion that everything is > > > very much alive. I also came to the conclusion that man, though he, > > > like all other things that are an extension of God has the ability to > > > know as much as God. I feel that man is very close to beginning > > > exploration outside of his own universe and that once we get outside > > > of our universe our task will then be to track down the beginning of > > > nothing and we will become an extension of God that allows him to see > > > outside his own universe. Something that I think will keep us occupied > > > for quite some time.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
