On Mar 1, 2:46 pm, Clayton Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > I wish I had a more advanced language to work with. I use words like > conscience and energy but these words just don't cut it. Perhaps I should > create my own words and define them. >
Please do so. I do. Neologisms are more and more common. > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Clayton Taylor > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I have a hard time believing that energy cant be created. In my theory, new > > energy is always constantly created where there is nothing. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Hey Pat, > > >> > I did wonder when you would put in an apperance. > > >> Out of the past 59 days, I've had about 42 of them with migraines. > >> I've had loads of time off and, thus, haven't had access to the > >> internet. > > >> > Yep I had the same thought you know. When we talk of human > >> > conciousness we are talking basicly an electrical impulse, can the > >> > same be said of a bodyless God? What then is meant by the > >> > conciousness of God? > > >> A different 'form' of energy (spiritual energy). In my theory, its > >> the form that appears in 3 out of the 6 Calabi-Yau dimensions. > > >> > Myself I sometimes use this word (conciousness) when talking about > >> > Gods 'essance' or 'spirit'. In order to show that whatever it is, it > >> > needs to be understood that it does not consit of matter, and when I > >> > say matter I also mean energy, that is nothing that was not present > >> > before the creation. > > >> Exactly! Whilst matter is a form of energy, so, too, is spirit. But > >> it's not found in this 4-D world. Although, because the spirito- > >> physical interface (our nervous system) is so good, we tend to think > >> we see it whem in reality, what we are seeing is only the physical > >> aspect of the interface. Remember, when it comes to energy, > >> 'potential energy' has no appearance whatsoever. It doesn't look like > >> anything, yet it has complete potential FOR everything. And THAT is > >> the key to solving the conundrum. All energy was, at some point, > >> purely potential. At that point, the only thing it COULD do was to > >> try to reach that potential and the show began. > > >> > Again personaly speaking I have no problems seeing God as the original > >> > cause. To ask what then caused God is meaningless, to my mind. > > >> Especially when science is clearly happy that energy is neither > >> created nor destroyed!! > > >> > On Mar 1, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > On Mar 1, 11:27 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > Have you ever read the 'Conversations with God' Books? > > >> > > > It's auother suggests much the same and gives a reason fro the > >> > > > creation. Thusly: > > >> > > > Gods knowledge is perfect but what is knowledge without experiance, > >> > > > and so 'let there be light' and the creation was created. For God > >> to > >> > > > experiance. > > >> > > While, in principle, I agree, the proposition states no methodology-- > >> > > no mechanism--for getting from point A (nothing) to point B > >> > > (something). There needs to be a mechanism, even for a God, to get > >> > > something from nothing. Alternatively, Clayton's proposition is > >> > > slightly better in that it doesn't propose that there WAS a nothing, > >> > > per se, rather , that the nothing was, in fact, a something. > >> > > Nevertheless, what is lacking THERE is what IS this something that was > >> > > nothing? I already know the answer myself, but I thought I'd throw > >> > > out the questions to help eke it out of Clayton. Consciousness is a > >> > > great fall back, but of what does it consist? What is the underlying > >> > > 'substance'? Again, I already know the answer, but would like Clayton > >> > > to give it some thought. > > >> > > > On Feb 27, 9:51 pm, Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > Before there was anything in our universe there was nothing, but > >> how > >> > > > > could something come to exist from nothing. Nothing must be > >> something > >> > > > > right? > > >> > > > > Not in my theory. > > >> > > > > My theory is that there is always an infinite amount of nothing > >> > > > > outside of something and that something is continually produced > >> > > > > wherever there is nothing. What that something is, is the > >> conscience > >> > > > > of an unborn universe, and these consciences are also continually > >> > > > > being produced. Our universe was at one time one of those unborn > >> > > > > universes, but something happened. Just as it does for all unborn > >> > > > > universes. It’s conscience began to think, but what would the > >> > > > > conscience of nothing think about? It would think about what it > >> is, > >> > > > > because it wouldn't know, and this thought would continually build > >> up > >> > > > > in the conscience until it was so compressed that the pressure > >> would > >> > > > > cause the conscience to explode into a big bang. What I am saying > >> is > >> > > > > that thought is the first form of energy that has ever existed, > >> and > >> > > > > that everything in our universe is just another form of this > >> energy. > > >> > > > > I believe that the energy, that is everything in our Universe is > >> the > >> > > > > God of our universe, and that God has always known everything > >> there is > >> > > > > to know about the universe. In the beginning God’s knowledge was > >> very > >> > > > > limited, but now it is very complex because everything that has > >> been > >> > > > > created from that original thought energy is an extension of Gods > >> > > > > consciousness, even ourselves. However, I believe that all things > >> that > >> > > > > exists also have their own conscience. Everything, from the > >> smallest > >> > > > > particle on up to the entire universe. It’s just a matter of how > >> > > > > closely you look. I’ll use a rock as an example, because I came up > >> > > > > with my theory while I was in the woods on my land enjoying nature > >> and > >> > > > > there was this huge beautiful rock, and it was almost as if I > >> could > >> > > > > see into it and see its conscience. It was like me and the rock > >> were > >> > > > > interacting. Now, when I stepped away from the rock and went up to > >> my > >> > > > > car that was parked at the top of my land I could see my entire > >> piece > >> > > > > of land and I could see that it was all working together as one > >> > > > > conscience. I see it on an even larger scale when I look at the > >> night > >> > > > > sky. After this experience I came to the conclusion that > >> everything is > >> > > > > very much alive. I also came to the conclusion that man, though > >> he, > >> > > > > like all other things that are an extension of God has the ability > >> to > >> > > > > know as much as God. I feel that man is very close to beginning > >> > > > > exploration outside of his own universe and that once we get > >> outside > >> > > > > of our universe our task will then be to track down the beginning > >> of > >> > > > > nothing and we will become an extension of God that allows him to > >> see > >> > > > > outside his own universe. Something that I think will keep us > >> occupied > >> > > > > for quite some time.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
